Ask The Insiders Wednesday #87

It’s back to the Irish Hills this week as NASCAR rolls into Michigan International Speedway and inches closer to the start of the Chase. But before we head to Brooklyn (Michigan that is), it’s time to answer your questions! If you don’t know what this post is, we answer any and all reader questions every Wednesday, right here.  So if you’ve got one, click on the ”Ask the Insiders” tab at the top of the page and send one to us.  On to the questions…

1. From Michael:

“Fortunately for Pattie and Montoya, Chip Ganassi isn’t Jack Roush.” …..What do you mean?

Jack Roush has an affinity for not letting driver/crew chief relationships run their course (though Bob Osborne has made it longer, his second time around, than some of his peers). Jack’s not a patient man – he wants fast results, and if things aren’t happening within his time frame he tends to quickly make changes (ask Jimmy Fennig, Drew Blickensderfer, Todd Parrott etc.). My point was to say driver/crew chief relationships take time to develop – if Montoya and Pattie were at Roush there is a chance they wouldn’t have made it. – Journo

2. From Rob:

What is the proper etiquette in the garage w/ hot passes?? Thanks guys love the site..

The most important thing is to make sure you’re wearing the proper attire. Long pants, closed-toe shoes, and sleeves (short ones are fine) are a must. Beyond that, just make sure you’re always paying attention to what’s going on around you, and try to stay out of the way of those at work. Oh and have fun! – Journo

3. From Franq:

What would it take to make the Brickyard race into a road race using the excellent F1 course. I think this would put some life into an ever increasing boring race?

An act of Congress maybe? Seriously though I don’t think NASCAR has any interest in turning the Brickyard into a road course race. I don’t think it’s a bad idea; certainly the folks at IMS need to do something to bring life back to the race. I think though making it a road race would diminish NASCAR’s role at IMS – that is to say it would put them on different footing than the IndyCar Series and the Indianapolis 500. It would send the message that NASCAR can’t cut it on the big track, so they’re experimenting. Just my two cents. – Journo

4. From Sam:

I may be in the minority, but I really enjoy the road course races. I’ve noticed many oval tracks with two races also have road courses which use most of the oval but add some infield twisties. Has nascar ever considered using the oval for the spring race and the road course for the fall race, or vice versa. It would be an interesting way of introducing “new” tracks without really changing the schedule at all.

I’m with you, I love the road course races. They provide such a nice change of pace. Remember though NASCAR is primarily an oval racing series. Changing that changes the spirit of the sport. It would be interesting, but as you said there are a good number of people who don’t like seeing NASCAR go left and right. I think they would risk alienating a large segment of fans. – Journo

5. From Dwiltone:

I know that the teams use road race cars at Watkins Glen and Infineon. That aside. In my feeble mind I think that in some ways , setting up a car for a road course would be easier than for an oval track. One situation where lefty righty tighty loosey would equal out.  Any insight on my theory? Keep up the good work on the Web site. I read it every week.

I’m not really sure you can say setting up for one is easier then the other.  Both styles of tracks have their challenges that must be overcome.  For NASCAR teams, road courses may have a slight edge just for the simple fact that we only race on them a few times a year. – T.C.

6. From Doug in CA:

As I watched the Busch race from the Glen today, I noted that some cars are listed as being “out” of the race, while others are merely “off.” Are teams supposed to notify NASCAR when they have decided to pack it in for the day? P.S. LOVE that road racing!

Yes, when a team decides to retire from a race, they have to let a NASCAR official know.  The official will then let race control know the team is out of the race.  When a team is listed as “off” they are just in the garage working on the car. – T.C.

7. From Garry:

Is it my imagination, or are pit stops backwards at The Glen? It looks like they are coming in and going out the wrong direction. If this is true, how does that affect the way you guys operate..(if i am imagining this..then never mind; )… And could you please explain what the heck was the deal with Kyle Bush having to fix something at the start? Why wouldn’t this be something they had taken care of already? I tell ya…. following along at home by picking a fantasy team each week really makes it more personal … DANG IT!!

Yes, the teams pit the cars backwards at Watkins Glen.  I wrote a post all about it in 2008 (click here).  Kyle Busch’s team had an issue with their right side weights before the race at the Glen.  They were not secured as they should have been, and the weights were sliding back and forth in the tube.  Incidents like this can get guys fired. – T.C.

8. From Mark:

How does the pit crew line up stud holes on wheel and stud so quickly? What is the I.D. of hole compared to O.D. of stud?

The tire carriers use a piece of tape as a reference point that allows them to know exactly where the stud holes are on the wheel.  Check out this classic TNI blog post for more info.  And to be honest, I’m not sure what exactly the difference is between the stud and the stud hole.  It’s not much, whatever it is. – T.C.

9. From Steve:

If a driver goes into the pits during the pre-race pace laps (like Kyle Busch at the Glen), does he lose laps if he doesn’t come out before the pace car completes each lap? Or does he simply start at the back on the same lap as everybody else?

Pace laps are not official race laps, so a team would not lose any laps.  They will however have to start at the rear of the field.  Also, teams are not allowed to add fuel during pace laps. – T.C.

10. From Eddie:

Wasn’t Mark Martin supposed to retire after the 2005 season? Will he finally retire after 2011? I like Mark Martin, but what motivated him to come back to race full time after making retirement announcements like Brett Farve?

Hahaha, Brett Favre. Well that’s a new one. There was an announcement (from Mark) though. I think he just realized there was still a lot of fight left in him, and he wouldn’t be content sitting on his couch watching races. Will he retire after 2011? That’s something you’d have to ask him. I honestly don’t know. At least he’s not waffling like Favre. When he got back in, he got back in. – Journo

11. From Marcus:

When GE Reveal, Philps Norelco, Suave, and AXE Twist sponsor Jamie McMurray are thay really sponsoring him or is it Target “showcasing” their different brands they offer? Jayski put it as “Philips Norelco sponsoring McMurray at Michigan”. Ganassi also does this in Indy Cars with Franchitti. Being he is sponsored by Target, I am asking this. I know it’s kind of a weird question but I am just curious.

Not a weird question at all – in fact I’m impressed you even noticed. Those deals are facilitated through Target, but those sponsors pay EGR to be on the car. It’s like Target provides Ganassi a marketplace of sponsors. Beyond those one-race deals though Target does have a very successful affiliate program with EGR and CGR (that’s why you’ll see Kimberly-Clark or Unilever products on JPM’s quarter panels when they’re running Target colors). Companies pay Target to get better placement in store and in advertisements and they also get the perk of Target’s motorsports program. It’s a win-win for all involved. And from what I’ve heard, Target’s affiliate program more or less pays for the sponsorship.  – Journo

12. From Billy:

What are your thoughts on Bill Jenkins and Latitude 43 Motorsports?

I’m guessing you are referring to the recent revelations that Bill Jenkins doesn’t seem to be paying his drivers.  This is a very small team, with extremely limited resources that is just trying to make it to the next week.  You can’t really fault their efforts, as at least they aren’t start and parking.  But when money starts running out, the first people to suffer are the drivers and employees.  This is a very common tale in racing.  The list of drivers and crew guys that have been screwed out of money by a team owner would probably circle the earth.  If Jenkins can’t afford to pay his drivers however, it’s probably easy to assume the end is near for the team. - T.C.

13. From Rowan:

How good is Marcos Ambrose rated as a serious Cup racer by other teams and fans and what is the likelyhood of him having a Cup drive for next season? I think his Cup drive at Watkins Glenn was awesome and probably his best performance I have seen. Thanks and regards…. an aussie Marcos fan

Marcos is certainly regarded as a legitimate driver in the Cup Series.  He showed flashes last season that he could get it done on ovals, but he’s just been the victim of a lot of bad luck this season.  I think it is very likely he will land with another Cup team for the 2011 season and beyond, with the most likely candidate being Richard Petty Motorsports. - T.C.

14. From Tom Skaggs:

I read this article a few years ago. The question I have is that it appears that Jamie McMurray is paying team expenses (payroll) out of his own pocket. I can understand paying agents, handlers et cetera, but is it common for drivers to be paying for team expenses? I’d assume that team owners would be paying these expenses.

I’m not sure what you read in this article that makes you think McMurray is paying team expenses.  This article is referring to some savings that McMurray had frozen for a time due to a bank fraud investigation.  Drivers don’t cover any team expenses with their earnings.  Many drivers have their own companies and organizations to help manage their careers, and they are obviously responsible for those expenses, but not for the teams they drive for. – T.C.

And that brings yet another “Ask The Insiders Wednesday” to a close.  Thanks to everyone who sent in questions.  And remember, if you’d like to be a part of next week, click on the ”Ask the Insiders” tab at the top of the page and send your question in!

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11 Responses to “Ask The Insiders Wednesday #87”

  1. Marcus says:

    As one of the biggest INDY Motor Speedway fans (NASCAR only), if they ever had the “bright” idea to change that track I would be horribly upset. INDY is historic and NOTHING SHOULD EVER BE CHANGED! And thanks Journo for answering my question.

  2. Neon says:

    Re: #3 Franq & #4 Sam: Being from a road racing background I also fancy watching the Cup and NW cars at The Glen and Sonoma (and especially the Road America). I do however think that because Cup and NW are primarily oval series that 2-3 is enough. Remember now, NASCAR and Jim France have their Sports Car fix in the Grand Am series. NW is, however, a good place to “try” new places (ie RA and Mexico City). That being said, I do think that the Daytona road course could be the diamond in the rough for Cup and NW. I have always wanted the CUP July 4th race to be on the sports car course. IROC ran it once before its demise. IMO would be much better than the Indy F1 course.

    RE #5 Dwiltone: The COT was supposed to fix the dedicated road course car time and expense. But I don’t really see even a COT running The Glen one w/e and then the same car at Michigan the next.

  3. Tom Skaggs says:

    T.C. thanks for the response. Below is a direct quote from article:

    “Dallas court findings indicate that some of the funds in the accounts were designated for race team expenses, including payroll.”

    I’m assuming that this quotation was either an error, or it was not Roush-Fenway Expenses, but perhaps a race team owned by Jamie McMurray.

    TDS

  4. T.C. says:

    Tom: Yeah, I actually saw that after one of our Twitter followers pointed it out. McMurray wasn’t paying for anything related to his team (RFR at the time). Drivers are actually independent contractors, and most start their own companies when they get going. The race teams then cut a check for services rendered to the drivers’ companies. The driver then draws a salary from that company. The drivers will also put any assistants, business managers, PR folks, pilots, motor coach drivers, and any other necessary help under the banner of this company.

  5. Joe says:

    re: #8
    with what does the tire carrier align the tape/lug hole? the studs can be in any position, so does he ‘eyeball’ the studs on approaching the car? can you give a bit more detail?

    Thanks!

  6. Jim2 says:

    Re: #7 Kyle’s weights…I was at the race and he pitted not fifty yards from where we were sitting…on the Sprint Fanview audio, he was “NUCLEAR”…his crew chief advised that he would vent on his behalf and to get his mind back on the task at hand. This time, I’d be with him!

    Cool info and answers as always guys! Keep up the great work!

  7. T.C. says:

    Joe: As the tire carrier gets set up, he’ll look down at the stud pattern. He’ll use the tape marked stud hole to line the wheel up with that specific stud pattern, usually based on one of the top studs. A small adjustment with the carrier’s bottom hand as he “indexes” the tire will turn the wheel one way or the other to hit the right pattern. It seems like it would be nearly impossible to be able to hit the studs right on every time, but guys up and down pit road do it stop after stop, every weekend. It can be a difficult thing to learn at first, but carriers at the higher levels of racing doing it almost automatically. Check out this video Sport Science did on NASCAR pit stops. There are some great up close shots: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nQQbEfr9irE

  8. Garry says:

    Have “we” figured out what an illegal lugnut is yet?

  9. T.C. says:

    Garry: No, because NASCAR decided that the lugnuts they took from the #47 team were legal…

  10. Garry says:

    Check out this video Sport Science did on NASCAR pit stops. There are some great up close shots: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nQQbEfr9irE

    HOLY MOELY!!!! WOWZA!!! I did not fully realize that you did 5 lugnuts in one single solitary second… THAT IS AMAZING!!!

    Has there ever been a pit stop in under 12 seconds?

    btw- It was kind of “odd” to see again how in the “old” days they use to have to do 4-5 pumps to jack up the car….

    Has anyone documented the evolution of pit stop times changes over the years?

  11. T.C. says:

    Garry: Yes, there have certainly been sub 12 second stops. In some practice situations, with the older shorter studs, there have even been some stops in the 10′s.

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