It’s back to the Tricky Triangle this week. The Cup Series makes its second stop of 2010 to Pocono, along with the debut of the Truck Series. The Nationwide Series is off to race in front of what hopes to be a sold out crowd at Iowa Speedway. While another week rolls along, we’ve got more reader questions for you. If you don’t know what this post is, we answer any and all reader questions every Wednesday, right here. So if you’ve got one, click on the ”Ask the Insiders” tab at the top of the page and send one to us. On to the questions…
1. From Allen:
I’m going to try and make this easy to understand, but back in March I was attending the Kobalt Tools 500… well I noticed about 50 laps in when certain cars went by the engines sounded a little different. Some had a “BUZZ!” rather than a “ROOM!” if that makes sense… I believe it was the Toyotas though I’m not 100% sure. Was this just from letting off the gas or what?
Teams have some freedom when choosing the type of exhaust components they use. To get the optimum horespower out of the engines, teams will try different headers and exhaust pipe combinations. Between that and the differences between each manufacturer’s engines, you will have some different sounds for each engine. – T.C.
2. From Garry:
…another Chicago question…I did not want to “hog up” the thread, so I wrote them down, and only ask one question per week. Why dont they let/make them practice and qualify under race conditions. If they race at night, why dont they qualify at night? PS swamisez … ummmmmprediction…. Jeff Gordon wins the 2010 Brickyard 400 (posted on July 21,2010)
It really depends on the scheduling for each weekend. Remember that very often, NASCAR must fit in practice and qualifying sessions for more then just one series. Also, some tracks have noise ordinances that go into effect at certain times at night. Often though, while they may not get to practice at the exact same times as the race, they usually get close. – T.C.
3. From Tom:
After seeing the fine NASCAR hit Carl Edwards with, I got to wondering something. When a driver, owner, crew chief (etc) gets fined, where does the money go ? It also seems to me that a points penalty would hit home to a driver much more than a monetary one.
All money collected from NASCAR fines is given to the NASCAR Foundation as per NASCAR policy. Certainly points penalties are far more damaging than monetary fines (unless you’re an underfunded driver or team). – Journo
4. From Kate:
What happened between Jeff Dickerson and Kyle Busch? Why isn’t he spotting? I will miss his dry humor on the radio. Is he still his agent? Being a fan of both, I hope it was an amicable split.
All we’ve heard about the situation is what’s been reported. Jeff Dickerson is no longer Kyle’s agent, or business manager, though Kyle is still with Motorsports Management. Was it amicable? I’m not privy to their personal relationship, so I won’t speculate. Dickerson is a very good spotter though. - Journo
5. From KathyCalculates:
We’ve seen the Parade of Haulers at Vegas and here in Indianapolis and wondered if they do this coming into all the venues and whether or not they travel across country in a sort of caravan or if they meet up near town in order to arrive together. It is so thrilling to witness!
No, they don’t do those in every city – they are very cool though. As far as travel goes, some teams require their drivers to run together, others don’t. Most of the time, regardless of company policy, hauler drivers will run with a couple of others. No big caravans normally, though during NASCAR’s run in Mexico they did run in large caravans with police escorts into Mexico City. And to your last question, the haulers are required to be at the track at a certain time on a certain day, usually Thursday morning (for the Cup Series) where they are put in order and brought into the track. – Journo
6. From Jerry:
Guys where did all this talk come from about a triple crown that includes the Indy 500. This kind of TV promotion seems to take away from the importance of our on Nascar triple crown.
I have no idea where it came from – and I’ll be honest, I don’t think the Daytona 500, the Indy 500 and the Brickyard 400 constitutes a “Triple Crown” of American motorsports. It seems to me you’d need to replace the Brickyard 400 with the 24 Hours at Daytona or the maybe the US Nationals. I don’t think it diminishes anything in NASCAR but even if it didn’t make a “triple crown” it was still a big accomplishment for Chip Ganassi, and his organization. – Journo
7. From Sterling:
Hi there… great blog. Keep up the great work
I found it to be a curious comment made early during the broadcast about the lack of fans in the stands at the Brickyard and how the commentators wouldn’t be getting into it on air. After they made the comment I couldn’t stop looking at how empty the seats were all over the track. I know times are tough and fan attendance has been down at some tracks but can you shed some light on the Brickyard specifically and why they would reference this on-air with no follow up explanation.
Thanks for the love! Without much empirical evidence, my own personal opinion is that attendance was down at the Brickyard for a few reason. First, and most obvious is the economy. Fewer fans can afford to attend races than in the past. Second, I think the tire debacle at Indy in 2008 is still having an effect. That race was a complete nightmare, and many fans haven’t forgotten. Third, I just don’t think the racing at Indy is all that great. The track wasn’t really built for stock cars, and it’s difficult to pass which means not a ton of action. And finally, I believe the novelty of stock cars at Indy has ended. While the Indianapolis Motor Speedway is still absolutely hallowed ground, it’s just not as big a deal anymore that NASCAR goes there. And I believe it wasn’t fully explained on TV because ESPN wanted to focus on the racing in their first race of 2010. More of a glass half full stance. – T.C.
8. From Phil:
The Chase…I realize that NASCAR is attempting to create season ending excitement. But I hate the orginal Chase, the revised current chase, and the anticipated elimination style chase. Here’s my reason, which may I add, I’ve never heard anyone raise. Unlike all other sports, NASCAR participants can be victims of circumstances totally beyond their control. Flat tires, failure of a part that causes the engine to blow, a caution just after you’ve made a green flag stop, another driver makes a bone head move and takes you out, etc. Under the pre-Chase 36 race format, these should even out between drivers and a true deserving champion determined. With the 10 race Chase and even more so under an elimination format, these factors are more likely to impact and determine the championship outcome. Other sports do have to overcome injuries beyond their control, but otherwise their play dictates the championship. Like I said, I understand the reasons for the Chase, however the excitement NASCAR is trying to create seems forced, artificial and contrived. Just my own opinion but I’m curious the hear how insider’s feel, if you agree or disagree. BTW, love your column!!!
First off, thanks also for the love! I’m not personally against the Chase in it’s current form. The whole reason the Chase was implemented in the first place, was because we’d seen many drivers run away with the title, and guys like Kenseth win it while only winning a single race all season. Nobody seems to remember this, but fans used to complain about the old system like they complain about the Chase now. The Chase certainly creates some season ending drama, which I think is good. I think the elimination style Chase that has been proposed is a mistake however. In my opinion, I think NASCAR needs to get as much feedback as possible from all involved (fans, drivers, media, teams, sponsors, etc.) and completely rework how the points are awarded. The current system rewards consistency, and I think they need to figure out what they want a champion to be. – T.C.
And that brings yet another “Ask The Insiders Wednesday” to a close. Thanks to everyone who sent in questions. And remember, if you’d like to be a part of next week, click on the ”Ask the Insiders” tab at the top of the page and send your question in!



July 28th, 2010
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RE #7: I have (use to) attended the Indy 500 for 20+ years. Had pit passes and seats on the outside down the main straightaway.
One thing what is important to a fan in the stand, is that at Indy you can not see much of the track other than what is in front you. I know of no other track that has that much view blocking stands on the inside of the track.
Decades ago you could see a fair amount of the track. Over time they added bleachers on the inside of the track. These added bleachers totally blocked any view you had of anything going on anywhere, unless it was in front of you.
I use to come home to watch the race on TV to find out what happened. This is one of the reasons I no longer attend the race.
RE Phil #8: My take, FWIW. Sports that have a playoff system (typ stick-n-ball) and follow an elimination format are just that. They eliminate competitors thru the process of crowning a champion. If “my” ATL Braves lose in the divisional series, they are not to be seen again till Spring. Whether it’s NASCAR, or most any other form of motorsport except say short track heat race elimination within a weekend, all teams compete thru the final race. The Chase points, Chase check, Chase trophy is nice to think about, but IMHO doesn’t really add much to the on-track racing action. If anything, it takes away from it.
Just for fun, can anyone w/o looking remember who won the final race of ’09 in Homestead? I couldn’t, and had to look to realize it was (?). But did find that Biffle won the final race three years straight (’04, 5 & 6). That’s impressive, but who knew? Point is that Chase overshadows a lot of good on-track stories. If NASCAR chooses to institute a true “elimination” format for 2011, there should be but only 2 cars on track come Homestead. Imagine if they were Keselowski and Edwards?
If I’m Brian France, I scrap the Chase. Go back to season long points, but by gosh I make a win worth so many points (like 2X over 2nd) that a team in the 10 spot w/ three tracks to go can make a power surge. Oh and pay the team w/ the most wins as much as the points Champ.
I wasn’t one who complained about the old system! I have never liked the chase and I don’t think I ever will. An elimination format would make it worse than it already is. Aside from it being a terrible and artificial way to determine what should be a season-long champion, I think it actually dulls the excitement in several ways.
I also have some stats to back up part of my argument. The following figures come from the seasons between 1990 and 2003. Yes, there were some very wide point margins (195, 444, 364, 201, 265, and 349). However, more frequently, the margins were much closer: 26, 10, 80, 34, 37, 14, 38, and 90. (You can read my full blog post on the topic here: http://www.racing-reference.info/showblog?id=383 )
The chase also makes late-summer races virtually irrelevant for many drivers. Only those around 7th-18th in the points are really racing for anything of significance right now.
What we really need is a traditional championship format but a brand new point system. I think I’ve said this on here before, but with all the changes NASCAR has made in recent years, why have we essentially stuck with a point system that was supposedly created on a napkin in a bar some 40 years ago? If getting wins and top-5s paid significantly more points than it does now and if points evened out and everyone from about 15th or 20th on back got about the same number of points, I believe that in itself would create a better championship battle.
Perhaps something like this…for 1st-15th: 30, 25, 21, 18, 16, 15, 14, 13, 12, 11, 10, 9, 8, 7, 6. Then 16th-20th, 5; 21st-25th, 4, 26th-30th, 3; 31st-35th, 2; 36th-43rd, 1. Winning would be worth nearly three times as much as a 10th-place finish. Under the current system, it’s not even worth 1 1/2 times as much.
Re: the Chase – I try, but for the life of me, I don’t see the purpose of a faux playoff in a one division league.
Until they implimented the Chase, NASCAR was the only major American sport that could stand up and say “we crown an indisputable champion”. Debatable, maybe, as in the case of Kenseth’s 1 win season, but completely and utterly indisputable – the beauty of the simplicity of the old system was: he who scores the most points win.
The way I see it, some years will be close, others will be a blow-out, but manufactured excitement will never last, and no matter what massive overhaul they make this time, within 2 years, they will be looking for someting bigger and better t prop up sagging ratings, as sports fans have been run off, race fans have been completely turned off, and TV viewers have found something new to watch for their weekly excitement. It’s a shame, because they took a sport that was entertaining, and turned it into an entertainment show, revolving around some track action.
Instead of proudly proclaiming the differences between themselves and other sports, they’ve made themselves into a stick and ball wannabe, and not very successfully. In a REAL sport, you have natural ebbs and flows – it’s part of it, and sports fans understand that.
I know it’s going to be some sort of goofy change that cheapens the championship even further, and it’s a shame. Because if you look at the “what-if” points that NOL itself keeps on its site, it’s likely that you would have the real and true drama of Jeff Gordon seeking championship #7 last year, and now this year, instead of bad feelings, anti-JJ/anti-Chad stuff, and sagging ratings. And, yes, I’m fully aware that just because someone scored the most points over 36 races but didn’t win the Chase, doesn’t necessarily mean they would have won the championship under the old system, but it is a good barometer, and all we have to go on. It’s really a shame, that it never did play out that way, becasue that really would have generated interest among race FANS.
Sterling: agree as to the lack of fans at Indianapolis, but there are fewer fans everywhere. As a Californian, I can see why Fontana may lose a race, but I sure wish we had had two races back when the economy was booming just so we could be sure that the attendance was weak because of the track/racing/market instead of the economy.
Phil: agree about the chase. The only possible advantage to it is that perhaps the guy in 13th might be able to move up a slot if the chasers “fell back into the regular points” once eliminated. Would that ever have happened? Maybe not, but it’s the only advantage I can see to any form of elimination.
It also depends on how many they eliminate. One rumor is expanding the chase to 15. NO. NO WAY. Another rumor is have only two chasers at Homestead. NO. That’s so artificial as to be laughable.
Heck, I don’t like the chase in any way, shape, or form. Trying to fix it is rearranging deck chairs on the Titanic.
To me, racing has always been about consistency and that was rewarded prior to BF’s beloved Chase.
How is it a driver can be in the Chase and not have a win before it starts? There are drivers below 12th in points with wins and will not have a chance to get in the Chase. If winning is so important, why not kick out those in the top 12 without a win, and let those with a win in? That would add drama and excitement.
A better idea would be to get rid of the Chase altogether.