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		<title>By: Garry</title>
		<link>http://www.thenascarinsiders.com/2010/07/22/a-chilling-effect-or-business-as-usual/comment-page-1/#comment-28139</link>
		<dc:creator>Garry</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 Jul 2010 00:38:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>MS said....
&lt;i&gt;&quot;I’ll ask the educated fan: would you rather see the brilliance of Busch and Johnson or the stupidity of Carl and Brad?&quot;&lt;/i&gt; 

Is this an open book test? 
will there be dates on it ? :)jk

ok ok ...YOU ARE CORRECT SIR ....
&lt;b&gt;I want to see the brilliance of Busch and Johnson &lt;/b&gt;

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Ric said...
&lt;i&gt;&quot;Carl was on probation from the last time for something like 6 weeks, which would have been up a couple of month ago. Unless he is on another probation, which is possible&quot;&lt;/i&gt;

I was looking for youtube &quot;Animal House&quot; clip of Dean Wormer&#039;s &lt;b&gt;&quot;Double secret probation&quot; &lt;/b&gt;speech, but all I could find was this guy, and he is actually funnier(to me anyway; ) ( btw-I do not know him, I am not promoting him, I am not associated with him in any way,  but I may have seen him and/or his brother at some NASCAR races before) &lt;i&gt;gotta luv youtube...&lt;/i&gt;

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vf2kdjLTdVk</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>MS said&#8230;.<br />
<i>&#8220;I’ll ask the educated fan: would you rather see the brilliance of Busch and Johnson or the stupidity of Carl and Brad?&#8221;</i> </p>
<p>Is this an open book test?<br />
will there be dates on it ? <img src='http://www.thenascarinsiders.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> jk</p>
<p>ok ok &#8230;YOU ARE CORRECT SIR &#8230;.<br />
<b>I want to see the brilliance of Busch and Johnson </b></p>
<p>&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8211;<br />
Ric said&#8230;<br />
<i>&#8220;Carl was on probation from the last time for something like 6 weeks, which would have been up a couple of month ago. Unless he is on another probation, which is possible&#8221;</i></p>
<p>I was looking for youtube &#8220;Animal House&#8221; clip of Dean Wormer&#8217;s <b>&#8220;Double secret probation&#8221; </b>speech, but all I could find was this guy, and he is actually funnier(to me anyway; ) ( btw-I do not know him, I am not promoting him, I am not associated with him in any way,  but I may have seen him and/or his brother at some NASCAR races before) <i>gotta luv youtube&#8230;</i></p>
<p><span style="text-align:center; display: block;"><a href="http://www.thenascarinsiders.com/2010/07/22/a-chilling-effect-or-business-as-usual/"><img src="http://img.youtube.com/vi/vf2kdjLTdVk/2.jpg" alt="" /></a></span></p>
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		<title>By: Ric</title>
		<link>http://www.thenascarinsiders.com/2010/07/22/a-chilling-effect-or-business-as-usual/comment-page-1/#comment-28137</link>
		<dc:creator>Ric</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Jul 2010 19:30:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>IMHO the “Have at it boys” was an open invitation for a bump and run, and some aggressive driving, some rubbing.  It was NOT and open invitation to intentionally wreck another car into a wall just because you want to. 

IMHO a true bump and run loosens up the car in front of you and allows you to move past them. If you put their car into the wall, damage to other cars or not, is NOT a bump and run. BK did a classic bump and run (same are JJ and Kurt B a couple of weeks back) that is racing. 

After intentionally wrecking another car, and unintentionally taking out a good portion of the remaining field is NOT the time to brag about it on national TV! That is just plain STUPID. 

I think NASCAR is trying to be as consistent as they can. Every situation is different with a whole slue of different variables, and I’m not talking about them play favorites. I would not want to be the person trying to figure out if a driver should be penalized, for what reason, and how much of a penalty.

As for probation, I’m not sure if probation in one serious carries over to another series.  Even if it does Carl was on probation from the last time for something like 6 weeks, which would have been up a couple of month ago. Unless he is on another probation, which is possible, I think he was in the clear. That however does not mean you can not go out and intentionally wreck someone, and expect nothing to happen. 

I’m all for NASCAR to be pickier / less lenient on repeat offenders. Carl has showed IMHO for years that he is a repeat offender on playing dirty / wrecking other cars. The more I watch him race the more I do not like his overly aggressive racing style and his bullying on and off the track. I hate to admit it, but at first I kind of liked him, he was in my top 10. The last few years he has been closer to the bottom of my list and dropping like the rock.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>IMHO the “Have at it boys” was an open invitation for a bump and run, and some aggressive driving, some rubbing.  It was NOT and open invitation to intentionally wreck another car into a wall just because you want to. </p>
<p>IMHO a true bump and run loosens up the car in front of you and allows you to move past them. If you put their car into the wall, damage to other cars or not, is NOT a bump and run. BK did a classic bump and run (same are JJ and Kurt B a couple of weeks back) that is racing. </p>
<p>After intentionally wrecking another car, and unintentionally taking out a good portion of the remaining field is NOT the time to brag about it on national TV! That is just plain STUPID. </p>
<p>I think NASCAR is trying to be as consistent as they can. Every situation is different with a whole slue of different variables, and I’m not talking about them play favorites. I would not want to be the person trying to figure out if a driver should be penalized, for what reason, and how much of a penalty.</p>
<p>As for probation, I’m not sure if probation in one serious carries over to another series.  Even if it does Carl was on probation from the last time for something like 6 weeks, which would have been up a couple of month ago. Unless he is on another probation, which is possible, I think he was in the clear. That however does not mean you can not go out and intentionally wreck someone, and expect nothing to happen. </p>
<p>I’m all for NASCAR to be pickier / less lenient on repeat offenders. Carl has showed IMHO for years that he is a repeat offender on playing dirty / wrecking other cars. The more I watch him race the more I do not like his overly aggressive racing style and his bullying on and off the track. I hate to admit it, but at first I kind of liked him, he was in my top 10. The last few years he has been closer to the bottom of my list and dropping like the rock.</p>
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		<title>By: Richard in N.C.</title>
		<link>http://www.thenascarinsiders.com/2010/07/22/a-chilling-effect-or-business-as-usual/comment-page-1/#comment-28136</link>
		<dc:creator>Richard in N.C.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Jul 2010 19:22:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If nothing else I would expect NASCAR has sent a clear message that when they tell you face-to-face that there is a line and not to cross it, you better ask if you don&#039;t understand.

Also, Carl has wrecked Brad twice intentionally without Brad&#039;s being hurt. You can only go to the well so many times before your luck runs out - and it appears that Carl doesn&#039;t consider the possible results of his actions before he acts.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If nothing else I would expect NASCAR has sent a clear message that when they tell you face-to-face that there is a line and not to cross it, you better ask if you don&#8217;t understand.</p>
<p>Also, Carl has wrecked Brad twice intentionally without Brad&#8217;s being hurt. You can only go to the well so many times before your luck runs out &#8211; and it appears that Carl doesn&#8217;t consider the possible results of his actions before he acts.</p>
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		<title>By: MS</title>
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		<dc:creator>MS</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Jul 2010 18:33:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>To me this was a decent response by NASCAR except that they should have gone after BK more than they did.

This issue is not difficult at all.  Jimmy Johnson and Kurt Busch showed us a few weeks ago what &quot;have at it boys&quot; is for two of the very best closed wheel drivers in the world.  Nobody wrecked, even the causal fan easily recognized the brilliance of these two on the track, and everyone saw probably the most exciting final laps of the season so far. And no trash talking after the race from either of them. The entire thing was exactly what you&#039;d expect from the very best in the world.

Now compare this to the tantrums of CE and the misguided conviction of BK that &quot;fans want to see crashes&quot;...

Once again I&#039;ll ask the educated fan: would you rather see the brilliance of Busch and Johnson or the stupidity of Carl and Brad?

I&#039;ll just add that if I want to see crashes I know where to go for that and I&#039;ll buy tickets to the dirt tracks. There is a reason that those tickets are so much cheaper you know...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>To me this was a decent response by NASCAR except that they should have gone after BK more than they did.</p>
<p>This issue is not difficult at all.  Jimmy Johnson and Kurt Busch showed us a few weeks ago what &#8220;have at it boys&#8221; is for two of the very best closed wheel drivers in the world.  Nobody wrecked, even the causal fan easily recognized the brilliance of these two on the track, and everyone saw probably the most exciting final laps of the season so far. And no trash talking after the race from either of them. The entire thing was exactly what you&#8217;d expect from the very best in the world.</p>
<p>Now compare this to the tantrums of CE and the misguided conviction of BK that &#8220;fans want to see crashes&#8221;&#8230;</p>
<p>Once again I&#8217;ll ask the educated fan: would you rather see the brilliance of Busch and Johnson or the stupidity of Carl and Brad?</p>
<p>I&#8217;ll just add that if I want to see crashes I know where to go for that and I&#8217;ll buy tickets to the dirt tracks. There is a reason that those tickets are so much cheaper you know&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Christopher</title>
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		<dc:creator>Christopher</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Jul 2010 17:47:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don&#039;t believe &quot;have at it boys&quot; ever meant intentionally wrecking someone on a straightaway with two walls.  That&#039;s just obviously dangerous to the driver and everyone behind them.

If he pushed him out of the way safely- even if Brad then lost control and spun out in the grass- it would be fine with me.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t believe &#8220;have at it boys&#8221; ever meant intentionally wrecking someone on a straightaway with two walls.  That&#8217;s just obviously dangerous to the driver and everyone behind them.</p>
<p>If he pushed him out of the way safely- even if Brad then lost control and spun out in the grass- it would be fine with me.</p>
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		<title>By: Woogeroo</title>
		<link>http://www.thenascarinsiders.com/2010/07/22/a-chilling-effect-or-business-as-usual/comment-page-1/#comment-28133</link>
		<dc:creator>Woogeroo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Jul 2010 17:15:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think if Carl and Brad had just wrecked each other, NASCAR might have over looked it. 

However, they got half the field involved and wrecked a lot of cars having their temper tantrum.

Therefore, they had to do something, regardless. 

It&#039;s pretty light I think, but when they collide again, what will NASCAR do then?

-W</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think if Carl and Brad had just wrecked each other, NASCAR might have over looked it. </p>
<p>However, they got half the field involved and wrecked a lot of cars having their temper tantrum.</p>
<p>Therefore, they had to do something, regardless. </p>
<p>It&#8217;s pretty light I think, but when they collide again, what will NASCAR do then?</p>
<p>-W</p>
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		<title>By: abovetheshop</title>
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		<dc:creator>abovetheshop</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Jul 2010 15:36:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thats NASCAR for you..just a bunch of old dudes making random decisions - each time it could be different. 

What Edwards did can be seen on any dirt track on Saturday night, so to me...it&#039;s just part of the sport.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thats NASCAR for you..just a bunch of old dudes making random decisions &#8211; each time it could be different. </p>
<p>What Edwards did can be seen on any dirt track on Saturday night, so to me&#8230;it&#8217;s just part of the sport.</p>
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		<title>By: Rain</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rain</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Jul 2010 15:32:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Basically, they took his win away as far as points go. I&#039;m sure that arrogant post race interview and the wrecked cars behind him did not help Carl&#039;s cause. I&#039;m not sure why Brad was put on probation. I just saw that bump as hard racing. I do think the 60 team cares about the points! The $25,000 not so much...

Do I think it&#039;s going to change the way everyone else races? No.

NASCAR&#039;s ruling was a clear message for Carl and his anger problems/ego...not nescessarily everyone else.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Basically, they took his win away as far as points go. I&#8217;m sure that arrogant post race interview and the wrecked cars behind him did not help Carl&#8217;s cause. I&#8217;m not sure why Brad was put on probation. I just saw that bump as hard racing. I do think the 60 team cares about the points! The $25,000 not so much&#8230;</p>
<p>Do I think it&#8217;s going to change the way everyone else races? No.</p>
<p>NASCAR&#8217;s ruling was a clear message for Carl and his anger problems/ego&#8230;not nescessarily everyone else.</p>
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		<title>By: Randy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Randy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Jul 2010 14:49:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Nascar has given a green light that anyone can bump Carl out of the way and he can&#039;t do anything about it.

Remember Brad is the one who has always hit Carl&#039;s car first in every incident.

If someone pushed you out of the way every day in the lunch line would you continue to let them do it, just move behind them on your own or do something about it?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nascar has given a green light that anyone can bump Carl out of the way and he can&#8217;t do anything about it.</p>
<p>Remember Brad is the one who has always hit Carl&#8217;s car first in every incident.</p>
<p>If someone pushed you out of the way every day in the lunch line would you continue to let them do it, just move behind them on your own or do something about it?</p>
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		<title>By: Bobby#7Fan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bobby#7Fan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Jul 2010 14:35:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Nascar probation is a total joke.  Basically it means &quot;you are a popular driver and we won&#039;t kick you off the track, so we let you do what you want and call it probation&quot;.  

It really hurts Nascars credibility whenever they put a driver on &quot;probation&quot; and the driver messes up again and are not punished.  Sixty Nationwide points is a joke to Edwards.  

Nascar does have a history of suspending drovers from cup events based on Nationwide incidents, just not the &quot;big stars&quot; that being in a lot of money to the sport.  

Dear Nascar,
You have become a joke, and I am just about finished with you for good.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nascar probation is a total joke.  Basically it means &#8220;you are a popular driver and we won&#8217;t kick you off the track, so we let you do what you want and call it probation&#8221;.  </p>
<p>It really hurts Nascars credibility whenever they put a driver on &#8220;probation&#8221; and the driver messes up again and are not punished.  Sixty Nationwide points is a joke to Edwards.  </p>
<p>Nascar does have a history of suspending drovers from cup events based on Nationwide incidents, just not the &#8220;big stars&#8221; that being in a lot of money to the sport.  </p>
<p>Dear Nascar,<br />
You have become a joke, and I am just about finished with you for good.</p>
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