With road course racing in the rear view, both the Cup and NNS cars head north to Loudon this week. After what transpired at Infineon, the Magic Mile may play host to a little payback for some drivers. While they ponder their revenge, we’ve got more reader questions and answers. If you don’t know what this post is, we answer any and all reader questions every Wednesday, right here. So if you’ve got one, click on the ”Ask the Insiders” tab at the top of the page and send one to us. On to the questions…
1. From Ric:
Do teams inform the NASCAR Pit Road Inspectors what they might be doing to the car so they are not in the way?
It’s certainly not a rule, but often times one of the pit crew guys will let the officials know what’s going on. There are a few that don’t pay attention sometimes, and it’s not uncommon for an official to either get hit, or come very close to getting hit. – T.C.
2. From Christopher:
Maybe this is a little off-topic, but I’ve been watching Inside NASCAR on Showtime this year. I noticed in the first bunch of episodes none of the track radio chatter was censored. Lots of swear words made it through, which I thought was kinda neat- gave you a little more reality than what you hear during the race. All of the sudden, they beep out anything offensive. Not a big deal, just wondering if anyone knows what gives?
You know I noticed that too. And I honestly don’t know why they all of sudden started censoring it. I think it’s probably the only show on Showtime that has any censorship. Perhaps people (within the garage) were complaining about being uncensored, but I don’t know. Sorry. – Journo
3. From Bob:
Here is a question that only Rick Hendrick and NASCAR can answer, but how can Hendrick have Kasey Kahne under contract for 2011 and not be considered his car owner? I can’t think of any scenario that would not somehow include arranging for a sponsor and/or paying the salary directly. Will NASCAR really go for this? Help me out here.
Oh yeah NASCAR will go for this. The issue isn’t Rick Hendrick employing people (he could employee every driver in the garage). It’s Rick Hendrick owning more than four cars. If Kasey is contracted out to someone else (even if Hendrick is still paying him), they are well within the rules. – Journo
4. From John:
Hey guys, love the site. Say a Nationwide Series team gets a sponsor last second during the weekend. Because the series has impound rules, do they have to get permission to wrap the car and when the car has to have the decals applied is there a NASCAR official supervising the process to make sure there’s nothing done to the car on the side?
If it happens that late in a game, all the team has to do is get permission from Joe Balash and the officials to put on decals. And if they are allowed to do it (which they would be), there will most certainly be at least one official there to supervise the team. – T.C.
5. From Floyd:
What was your take on the way Jeff Gordon was driving?? I think that some other drivers would of been penalized for rough driving.
I think the proper penalty would have been for stupid driving. But seriously rough driving isn’t really applicable in this situation. I don’t think he was being malicious, he was just making very poor decisions and unfortunately other teams paid the price. I’m sure Martin Truex Jr. won’t soon forget though. NASCAR wasn’t giving Jeff Gordon any special concessions. He certainly wasn’t alone in his stupid driving this weekend. I heard guys afterward comparing the amount of damage to the cars in the field to Martinsville and Bristol – something you don’t normally see at a place like Sonoma. – Journo
6. From Steve:
The last caution Sunday was (seemingly) due to Keselowski backing onto the racing lane instead of moving forward, a move that I viewed as his attempt to draw a caution which would keep him from losing as many positions than if the race stayed green. The caution likely cost Ambrose the win. I know Ambrose has no recourse but does NASCAR ever take action against drivers who game the system? On road courses, do you know why NASCAR doesn’t use yellow flags the same way the other road racing organizations do, where the yellow applies only to the specific area and not to the entire track? I like Jeff Gordon but to whine one week about somebody pushing him around and then to do the same to others. Am I wrong to think that the standard seems to be simply ‘if it’s done to me, it’s a crime, it I do it to someone else, sorry, but that’s racing’?
To your first question, NASCAR will (and have) penalize cars who they feel intentionally bring out cautions. I think though NASCAR made the right call with Brad K. To the caution question, it’s just the way it is. They do give quite a bit of leeway to cars straightening themselves out, but I agree it can be a bit daunting with larger courses (Road America for instance). The policy does make it safer for all safety crews involved however. And to the Jeff Gordon question, well, I’m not going there. – Journo
7. From MS:
What is NASCAR’s rationale behind using carbs instead of injection? Are teams in favor of going to injection?
This is one of those “we’ve always done it this way” situations. There is not a rational reason for why NASCAR hasn’t changed. And I think it doesn’t really matter to the teams whether they use carbs or injection. Injection will certainly cost the engine builders a little more money, because they need to re-tune engines, but it won’t be a huge deal. – T.C.
8. From Marcus:
Being this is sort-of an opinion based site I have a different type of question for you guys. After watching what unfolded during the last 7-8 laps at Infineon do believe that NASCAR gives wins to Jimmie Johnson? Let me explain. When Brad Keselowski spun they called a caution with 7 laps to go. Now all day cars had been spinning and they didnt call a caution. Even after Johnson got the lead 3 more cars spun. Then under caution Marcos Ambrose stopped on track when he was trying to save fuel. NASCAR then pulls out this rule that NASCAR fans had never heard of but the NASCAR community has heard of. They put Marcos Ambrose in 6th I believe and then wind down the laps to 5 to go. Thus ensuring that Jimmie wins. So that is why I asked you, Do you guys believe that NASCAR gives Jimmie Johnson wins? Because after a situation like that I certainly do. And I did before. For Instance “Jimmie Cautions”? Just wondering.
As we have said here before, NASCAR does not benefit from Jimmie Johnson winning every other race and the last four championships. If anything, it would have benefited them more to have Ambrose win. A foreign driver gettting his first ever Cup win would have been a big story. So all this talk about NASCAR favoring Johnson is crazy. The officials just made the call they needed to make in this particular situation, and Johnson happened to be the one who benefited. There is no underlying conspiracy at work here. - T.C.
I agree with T.C. – Journo
9. From Michael in SoCal:
Nascar.com lists the owner of the 24 & 88 as Rick Hendrick, the owner of the 48 is Jeff Gordon, and the owner of the 5 is Mary Hendrick. That said, obviously all of these cars are ‘owned’ by Hendrick Motor Sports. So does the listed owner come into play in any way with the 4 car per team limit?
No not at all. All of Jack Roush’s cars don’t have Jack Roush listed as the owner either. Same at Childress, Gibbs, Penske, EGR etc. What matters is what organization really owns and operates the cars. – Journo
Sad to see what happened to Ambrose and I am not here to necessarily to defend him, but maintaining the pace car speed rule and its enforcement leaves me a bit perplexed. Marcos obviously stopped when the engine would not turn over momentarily causing him to fall below the pace car speed. As no warning was given by NASCAR like “hey 47 you better get up here and keep your position,” how is that any different than others that have exceeded pace car speed and actually passed the pace car, only to be told to back and get back in line, or else. Or better yet during the caution when the leader on an oval slows near the pit entrance commitment cone, is passed on track by one or more cars that stayed out, only to void his pit, stay out and accelerate back up to the rear bumper of the pace car.
Ambrose was not allowed to pull back into his original position because he pretty much stopped on the track and had to restart the engine. I’m not sure you can really compare this situation to the others you mentioned. I’m not sure I remember seeing an instance where a car purposely passed the pace car trying to gain some sort of advantage, only to be told to go back behind. Usually the only cars that need to pass the pace car are the lucky dogs. Also, when a car is faking to pit road, they don’t usually come to a complete stop. Ambrose was attempting to save fuel under the caution, and he got bit. It’s really as simple as that. – T.C.
And that brings yet another “Ask The Insiders Wednesday” to a close. Thanks to everyone who sent in questions. And remember, if you’d like to be a part of next week, click on the ”Ask the Insiders” tab at the top of the page and send your question in!
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June 23rd, 2010
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T.C. – I think that the last question was referencing the Dale Earnhardt, Jr. incident at Michigan 2 years ago when he was trying to save fuel. He would pass the pace car gaining some speed, then turn the engine off and fall back in order to save fuel. He did this multiple times and received at least 1 warning from NASCAR. I believe he did it 1 or 2 more times after he received the warning.
Jeff Gordon’s actions at Sonoma just renew my feelings that he is not as focused on racing as he used to be. Still enough to be a contender, but I don’t believe he will ever win another championship. Too bad for Marcos. Maybe he can win at Watkins Glen.
I think the main point with Ambrose being penalized is he came to a complete stop. It also didn’t help matters that he was passed not by 1 or 2 cars but 6 cars. IMHO I think if Ambrose only fell behind JJ they would have let him keep the first place spot.
Isn’t there also a rule that cars must stay in their relative spots during a caution, unless instructed otherwise? They are not allowed to pass the car in front of them, or fall behind the car behind them.
Re #6 Steve: NASCAR doesn’t seem to know how to throw a local only caution flag. Whether ovals or road courses, they seem to look for ways to bunch the field (for obvious reasons). Oh, but to see a full green flag tire and fuel run on a road course (especially) can mitigate a crash fest, demo true talent and build rythm into a race.
Thanks Melissa on the Jr ref. That was exactly the situation and highlights the ambiguity of the “rule”.
Melissa & Neon: Thanks for the clarification, I was confused on that one. The only thing I can really say is that this whole shutting off the engine and coasting thing is sort of a new phenomenon. While rolling past the pace car might only illicit a warning, getting passed because your car isn’t running under caution means you lose any of those spots. Either way you look at it, Marcos made a bone headed mistake and he paid the price. I even heard guys on his team say that NASCAR was right in their call.
It sure seemed clear to me that Ambrose was not maintaining a reasonable speed when his car came to a complete stop. It does seem to me that Ambrose is getting too much of the blame in the media since it seems to me that his crew chief deserves part of the blame for not better coaching him during the last few laps. I did hear Ambrose’s crew chief (whose name won’t come to me) say on Race Hub last night that they had been in the fuel saving mode all day and had been cutting the engine off and on during cautions either all race or for a substantial part of the race.
What IS a reasonable speed?? I’ve seen cars bump the pace car for fun…and just get warned. Do I think there is some kind of conspiracy? No. But…I do think we all want to see consistant rulings from NASCAR. (ha) Did you see how fast Chad come down from that hauler?? He called NASCAR on it right away. It’s a shame Ambrose lost the race because of such a dumb move.
Do I think they would have called Dale Jr on it at Talledega or Darlington?? No. They wouldn’t risk a fan riot.
#6: The last caution came out due to fluid that was coming out of Keselowski’s car, and it was clearly visible on TV. It wasn’t just for his stopped car.
#8: THANK YOU to T.C. and Journo for that level-headed response! It is the most obvious thing in the world that NASCAR doesn’t benefit when Jimmie Johnson wins and I’m sure they love it when he doesn’t because it creates more fan interest. I don’t know why some people just don’t seem to get that. And again, the caution was for fluid coming out of Keselowski’s car. Additionally, maybe you’re a newer fan, but that is a rather well-known rule. I’ve heard of it used before. I felt awful for Ambrose, but I felt like the rule was applied fairly. I also remember situations where a driver was spun out under caution and was not allowed to keep his position but had to fall in line farther back.
As a side note, Jeff Gordon has always been one of my favorite drivers, but he definitely made some stupid moves on Sunday…I don’t know what that was all about!