the argument for the MW and CL engine penalties doesn’t really work for you, they happened in relative close time periods. we aren’t talking about 1984 when the kings engine was big at the 400(like huge,377ci iirc)
but there is a distinct difference, the jet fuel was a power ‘adder’ vs cubic inches which is add-on vs internal.

the two passes below the line are an interesting comparison. both have video, only in DR’s case even TS admitted he drove him down there and that DR had position. where as in Jr’s case I do not recall MK saying anything of the sort.

I’m interested with where this will go from here, as far as pay backs. if it’s ok now to sit for 1-2hrs then go and wreck a top 10 car, where exactly is the line?

I am not really a fan of Edwards, but I believe Nascar got the punishment right. If it had been Johnson or Kyle Busch that wrecked the 12 I’d have been screaming for them to be suspended for life. We are all hypocrites, I just admit that I am.

I can’t say I’m familiar with the Dale Sr. incident but do you have proof NASCAR held the yellow for a few more laps, or is that just speculation?

I still don’t see a history of incidents. I see people who are letting their allegiances cloud their judgement of situations.

How about Dale Jr. passing Kenseth under the yellow line at Talladega going for the win and a record 5 straight at the track. Nascar ignored it, he won. Few years later Regan Smith does the same thing and crosses the line first, Nascar declares Tony Stewart the winner.

Richmond late 90′s getting ready to go green. Dale Sr radios in with a flat time, Nascar holds yellow for a few more laps so go does not go in under green.

Once again, the history is there, just look for it. It’s a long list, these are just a few examples.

Bill- You had a lot of responses, but really never answered any of the questions thrown back at you. It’s easy to talk around things isn’t it?

But really that’s where I have a beef. BK getting airborne was really irrelevant in my book. What “is” relavant is that Cousin Carl tries to block BK, or jump into the inside lane between 1 and 2 early in the race. Which ever motive you choose to believe, the bottom line is Cousin Carl plain and simple screwed up. A rookie move by a self-proclaimed veteran. Unfortunately, CE ruined Lagano’s day and no one seems to be discussing that.

Then, then…rather than CE accepting his own mistake in it’s entirety he decides to stink up the show by taking out someone who, by his own admission on TV, “didn’t actually make as malicious of a move as he first thought.”

So what am I missing here? Carl seeks revenge on BK for an ill-timed move that was of his own making? Hmmmm?

If I am “any” member of the #99 camp and Carl is half as approachable as appears to be, I go to Carl and say “dude, let’s talk for a minute. Ok I work for Roush Fenway, just like you and 500 of our co-workers do. We are trying to win races here and possibly a championship. If “we” do that, “you” will get a big ol trophy and a bunch of loot. The rest of us will get a nice bonus to feed our families and the satisfaction of a job well done. Now on the other hand, if you go out and trash our equipment, plough into everyone and everything that you feel has wronged you, well Dude…we get nothing but a big ol wad of squat. Now Carl get with the game and drive and act like a professional.”

TC-If you happen to be on the #99 crew, can you have this chat w/ Carl? If so, I suspect he will get back to his winnings ways pretty quick. Thanks in advance.

BTW Robby’s Montreal gig was really stupid, but comical none the less. At least Robby didn’t have 2 hrs in the garage area to cool off before pulling his stunt. Robby’s was textbook “red mist”, Carl’s was premeditated. Which one is worse?

Time for me to move on. F1 is on the horizon!

Can you seriously tell me that Michael Waltrip and his jet fuel engine at Daytona wa not a WAY worse and intentional infraction than Carl Long’s engine being a little bit to big, and as I recall it was proven not to be an advantage in any way.

Now lets talk a look at the fines. Waltrip’s crew chief was fined $100,000 and Michael was fines 100 points.

Carl Long’s crew chief was fined $200,000. Long was penalized 200 points and suspended for the next 12 races.

The proof is everywhere. You just have to be willing to look at it.

Nascar does seem to show variance in punishment to certain drivers, or organizations.

Case in points
Carl Long. Not that his engine was illegal, but he got inspected after his engine blew up in practice. It was purchased engine, and the engine builder stated that the walls distorted from the damage.
at Daytona a few years back a piece of tap came of the inner RR fender well of the 17 during qualifying. 6 race suspension for the crew chief iirc.
then in the 125′s(same year) J Gordon’s spring mount “wore” it was determined that this happened on the track and was not a performance enhancing trick. result no penalty
If I remember correctly Mark Martin won at Charlotte one year and his car was to low on the LF. the spring failed during the race, and dropping weight of the LF is a no-no(or at least on any car I worked on) result was fine,loss of points iirc.
3 “infractions” that happened during race/qualifying conditions non would help the car. 3 different penalties or lack there of.

the 99 went out 153 laps down with the sole intent of wrecking the 12. that is not “have at it” or “just racing” flip or no flip, a bit more than a shake of the finger was warrented.