It’s the first off week of the year for NASCAR. None of the top three series are in action this weekend, but TNI keeps trucking along with another Ask The Insiders Wednesday. If you don’t know what this post is, we answer any and all reader questions every Wednesday, right here. So if you’ve got one, click on the ”Ask the Insiders” tab at the top of the page and send one to us. On to the questions…
1. From Ric:
It’s been said that the haulers carry enough spare parts to build another car. How close is that statement?
Pretty darn close. Haulers carry everything from spare engines and transmissions, to sheet metal and nuts and bolts. And if a part isn’t on the hauler, it could probably be robbed off the backup car. – T.C.
2. From Kevin:
Hey TNI, What are your feelings on the spoiler and the fairness of the mid season change. Do you think teams like RCR are tickled to have it considering they have FINALLY found speed with the winged car. Now to have to go backward essentially and retool your whole fleet of cars, that’s not totally reasonable IMO. Now RCR and other teams will have essentially wasted all that work this offseason and now have to start over.
I think the answer to your question is determinant on whether the spoiler has a big effect on set-ups and the like. We really don’t know what will happen with the change, other than the little bit of testing teams have done. I doubt RCR is thrilled by this move; and it certainly stinks if you’re a team with little or no funding. That said, in my opinion, it will change things, but I don’t think it will change things substantially, so teams like RCR will probably be OK. – Journo
3. From Kenny:
I’m now reading a terrific book, “The Physics of NASCAR.” Reading that the wheels are “toed-in” or “toed-out” makes me wonder, does this alignment (and camber) make your job harder? On a normal consumer car, the four tires are set pointing straight up and down and are set parallel to the centerline of the car.
The toe isn’t usually an issue. Camber does affect the front tire changer and front tire carrier. The right front doesn’t cause any problems, but the left front does. Changers have to get low to see all the lugs, and pretty much angle their pit gun to hit the lugnuts square. The tire carrier must also make an adjustment, so as to get the wheel on the studs squarely. – T.C.
4. From Mike:
I was wondering if you could talk about the orange/white tape or paint that’s on the sides of the Goodyear tires after a pit stop? My guess is that it has something to do with checking the wear pattern…
I wrote a post back in 2008 explaining this exact topic. Find it here. – T.C.
5. From Scott:
Hey Guys, All this talk about ‘start and park’ teams got me wondering about racing in general and more specially about cars that are not on the lead lap. I’m wondering how you, the garage, NASCAR, etc would feel about pulling cars off the track that couldn’t mathematically win the race. For example, if a car has an early problem and hits the garage. They do amazing work and repair the vehicle but end up 50 laps down. So when the lap count hits so that there are only 49 laps left that car would have to leave the track. This would lessen the number of cars on the track near the end and potentially decrease yellows or other collision concerns. Thoughts? As always, thanks for the great read! Great job guys!
I think it’s an interesting idea, the problem is, it doesn’t let guys improve their position if they’re able to continue running. Say you’re in 40th 50 laps down and the five cars in front of you are out. Shouldn’t you be able to make up those spots if you’re able? At the point when you can’t win a race, it’s about points and money. If you’re prevented from improving from going back out on track you won’t be able to do that. Plus what if the race goes longer than the prescribed number of laps (through restarts)? Lessening the number of cars won’t necessarily lessen the number of cautions. Toward the end of the race a lot of wrecks occur with lead lap teams. – Journo
6. From Barb:
Why does it appear that most of the Cup drivers are afraid to tangle with Jimmie Johnson on the racetrack? They all seem leery of getting into him. I don’t think I’ve ever seen anyone pull a bump and run on Jimmie during a race. I know why Jeff Gordon doesn’t, (part team owner), but why the others? He needs to be challenged more often.
I think it’s a matter of perception. I can say it’s not something I’ve noticed and after thinking about it do we really see drivers get into other drivers very often? It happens, but I don’t think Jimmie receives special treatment over anyone else. – Journo
7. From Marcus:
I’ve noticed that when a crew member or shop member or driver is penalized for drug use it always says actions detrimental to stock car racing. What does this mean?
It means whatever you want it to mean. At least that’s how NASCAR uses it. Anything that can be construed as damaging to stock car racing can fall into that category. That includes crew members who fail drug tests. – Journo
8. From Lee:
I live in Central Arkansas and noticed about a dozen haulers heading east on I40 om Monday (3/1) afternoon. Obviously, they were coming from Las Vegas. My question is..do the teams have more than one hauler? Were the ones I saw heading back to the shop, and they already have a new one heading to Atlanta for the race this weekend? It seems that it would be hard to get from Las Vegas to Charlotte, unload the car/s from the previous race, load the new cars up and make it to Atlanta for practices.
It takes approximately 36 hours driving time to get from Las Vegas to Charlotte. For west coast trips, most teams run with two truck drivers, that way the truck never stops. So assuming the race is over on Sunday evening, the trucks could be back in Charlotte sometime on Tuesday. Atlanta is only a four hour drive, and Cup teams didn’t park until Thursday. That leaves about a day and a half to restock and reload the haulers. The only time extra haulers are used, is to shuttle cars out west to the actual race haulers. This happens for back to back west coast races, like California-Vegas. – T.C.
9. From Ross:
Wondering your take on this: I was watching Idol last week and they’re running a spot with Carl Edwards talking about Ford. Not only is he not in a race suit but there aren’t even graphics identifying who he is. Now I can see why Ford’s ad people don’t want Edwards wearing a suit with Aflac plastered all over it but is it possible that Carl Edwards is actually recognizable to the average American Idol viewer? If that’s the case, then NASCAR really has come a long way.
I haven’t seen the commercial, but obviously Ford thinks he’s recognizable enough. I’m not sure I’d agree. I can’t say what Carl’s Q-score is, but I would imagine it’s not high. You’d think they would have at least had him in a firesuit, but maybe we’re further along than I thought we were. – Journo
10. From Alex:
2010 mid season changes to the cup cars: spoiler , nose and what else. I have been out of touch for a bit . Never liked the ” WING” or the splitter. What are the proposed changes for 2010 in a nutshell?
The only proposed change right now, is that the wing is being replaced with a spoiler, most likely at Martinsville in a few weeks. NASCAR is also making a small change to the rear quarter panels on the car to help with the new aerodynamics. The noses and splitters will remain unchanged. – T.C.
11. From Savannah:
Hi Guys, Since Brad Keselowski has entered the NASCAR Sprint Cup series, it seems that he has made more enemies than friends. What are the thoughts of the drivers and crew members of Brad? Also, what are your opinions? I found it interesting that Carl Edwards took the action that he did in today’s Atlanta race. Brad definitely needs to learn not to be as aggressive as he has been in some of the past races. Will the Edwards/ Keselowski feud become one for the record books over the next year? Thanks for answering all of the questions. Have a great week off!
There are definitely some veteran drivers who won’t be joining the BK fan club any time soon (see Edwards and Denny Hamlin). While I can’t speak for everyone, I think most see him for what he is. He is a very aggressive, young driver who is looking to make a name for himself and be successful. And en route to being successful, it would appear as though he doesn’t care who he runs over to get there. But what I hope he is learning, is that he can’t get where he wants without at least some respect from his competitors. I appreciate his aggression and know he has talent, but he still has some learning to do. Something tells me that Brad and Carl will steer clear of each other from now on as well. – T.C.
12. From Jeanette:
Journo- I’ve noticed here and there that some of the photographers on pit road and in the garage wear their vests inside out. Is there a reason for this (like some inside joke) or do they just not pay attention when they put them on. Also – what are the numbers for?
If it is I’m not privy to it. I would imagine it’s guys (and gals) not noticing and throwing the vest on. The numbers are there to identify the photographers. – Journo
13. From Marc:
Do extra laps beyond the scheduled distance in green-white-checker finishes, including the yellow-flag laps count for all purposes in races? With the current rule, there can be as many as four extra green-flag laps in addition to as many yellow-flag laps as needed to clear the track. If they count for all purposes, this could change the winner of the bonus for the most laps led and could allow a car that is, for example, 25 laps down to finish ahead of a car that fell out with 20 laps scheduled to go, right?
Yeah, pretty much. If a race goes beyond it’s scheduled distance, the number of total laps run is counted just like if the race had gone the prescribed amount of laps. Now you know why, in many cases, teams work so hard to get their car back on the track after a crash. You never know what might happen. – T.C.
14. From Rob:
Question about pit officials. What are the two officials in white jumpsuits looking at when you are doing your pit stop work? Why are there 2 of them per car? How mant total on pit road? Who pays them? How much do they make? Do you have any good stories about them and things they may have done or not done?
There is one official assigned to each pit. Often times you will see two, because if they are available to do so, they will help each other out. They are watching to make sure we don’t jump from the wall too early, that the car is in the stall correctly, that fueling is done within the rules, and that all the lugnuts are installed, among other things. They are paid by NASCAR, and probably make a reasonable living. And there isn’t enough room in this post to recount those stories. – T.C.
15. From Lost, Just Lost:
Well NASCAR has had their say. I found it interesting. Seems to me that the message was more for Brad than Carl. Carl got a three race probation, what ever that is. Brad got knocked out of a sixth place finish. Am I missing something or was NASCAR sending a bigger message to Brad than to Carl?
Without being a party to NASCAR’s conversations over the last couple of days it’s hard to say. I know there has been some buzz that that might have been NASCAR’s intention, but I think more than anything they’re working off their recent precedent. Consider the Denny Hamlin/Brad Keselowski and Juan Montoya/Tony Stewart incidents at the end of last season as examples of how NASCAR has recently reacted to payback. The punishments haven’t been severe and I think if Brad hadn’t gotten airborne, we probably wouldn’t even be having this conversation. – Journo
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March 10th, 2010
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I was just re-reading my question about not letting cars back on the track that couldn’t mathematically win the race. I guess I was a little broad in my definition. I think letting a car back on that can catch or pass a competitor that is in a similar situation makes sense.
However, what purpose does letting a car like Carl Edwards, who was 150 laps down, serve? He had no chance to win the race and clearly was out for revenge.
Slightly different question … shouldn’t a member of the crew, the crew chief, or Jack Roush assessed the situation and stopped Edwards from going out there and doing something that was ” detrimental to stock car racing” to quote NASCAR?
#5 Scott: The only car several laps down that seems to stink up the show is Cousin Carl. And I don’t mean Carl Long. Go figure? CE wrecks a top 10 car and gets probabtion? Carl Long qualifying engine in a non-points race is micro-over and he gets sent packing w/ a hefty fine. Hmmm?
#6 Barb: In order to pull off a strategic bump-n-run, you first have to have the car and skill to do it. Try catching Jimmie Johnson!
#11 Savannah: I have found it so ironic that the two that self proclaim “veterens” of the sport (Edwards and Hamlin) have made some of the most bonehead rookie moves of the past year, far exceeding aggressive moves of BK. 2009′s CE’s attempted block at Dega and Hamlin’s very lame attempted block of Mark Martin in CA (only to take himself into the inside retaining wall LOL) kinda dilutes their claim as “veterens”.
#9 Ross: After the Kobalt Tolls 500, Cousin Carl is probably more identified w/ the audience of the show “Jackass”!
Scott: Carl did have something to gain, besides revenge, by going back out. Edwards was able to pass Blaney and Reutimann for points. And let’s not forget that in racing anything can happen, so you send the 99 back on track to log laps in case anyone else falls out of the race.
And usually, when NASCAR starts to realize that one driver is looking to wreck another, they will usually warn that driver. Edwards had tried on at least one other occassion that I saw to wreck Brad, so maybe something should have been said then. But hindsight is always 20/20. And again, if Brad doesn’t get airborne, we are never talking about this.
Neon: I don’t think I’ve ever seen you this fired up over something before. What is different about Edwards wrecking Keselowski, versus JPM wrecking Tony Stewart at Homestead last year?
Thanks for asking TC…you know I’m fired up when I did not even proof my spelling.
“Self entitlement” is what gets me chapped. Lately Edwards and Hamlin are chocked full of it. The very notion that a competitor is supposed to magically disappear from a given space so that you can better position your car is absurd. Man up Carl. Enough of the made-4-tv verbage and using your chariot as a weapon. Sit down (just you and BK) at a table over some BBQ and work it out. You are a much better talent than what you’ve been showing lately.
In all of these instances where drivers abuse their cars when using them as retaliatory weapons…I say Roush makes Carl drive (not fly) back to Charlotte and work on fixing cars in the shop the next two weeks before Bristol. Or wash cars/trucks at a local Penske rental ctr!
Stewart vs JPM at Homestead? Same deal there. Park ‘em at mid-race, make ‘em sit a picnic table and work it out before returning to the track. The quicker they work it out the more laps they get to log. Easy as that!
Maybe NASCAR needs a remote kill switch in each car in place of a black flag. Kinda like your local go-kart track.
Even after being parked, Edwards still finished just 5 laps behind Joe Nemechek. If we’d had a late caution that wasn’t his fault instead and went into overtime, he could have gained one more spot and 3 more points. Drivers often have the chance to pick up another spot or two, even late in the race. Plus, running at the finish can keep up a streak of DNFs, and no driver likes getting a column full of those!
Re #9: All the various people that pitch Ford trucks, they never say who they are. I think it’s just the way Ford does it. Either you know who it is, or you don’t. Sometimes the words they use give you a hint, but that’s about it.
Re #6: IMHO since JJ races other drivers clean, they return the favor. Barring the Carl – Brad matchup, I think drivers are reluctant to do something to a car racing in the Top 5 / Top 10 verses a 20+ car. JJ spends a good amount of time in the Top 5 / Top 10.
Does anyone know if any penalty was handed out to Edwards for his going down pit road the wrong way stunt. I don’t think that falls under the “Boy’s have at it”, that is just plain safety
Thought I heard a few years ago that Goodyear does not allow you to keep race tires. What tires are on the cars at the shop, during transport to and from the track?
Ric: Carl was not penalized for driving down pit road backwards. I don’t think it was as big a deal as some are making it out to be. Pit road was closed at the time, and he was only on pit road for a short distance.
Also, tires are not purchased from Goodyear, they are leased. At the end of the race, all tires must be returned to Goodyear. Teams have “setup” or “travel” tires they throw on the cars after the race.
JJ has had a couple bump and runs under his belt, just ask Hamlin how he lost at Martinsville last year for the Hendrick milestone victory.
I have a somewhat different perspective: in crashes such as the first BK/CE crash in Atlanta, BOTH drivers were at fault. CE did come down into BK, but BK could have lifted and given CE room, perhaps costing himself a position but avoiding a crash… lots of crashes could be avoided if the drivers weren’t so determined to protect their position/send a message/etc (and that is one of the complaints about BK, that he doesn’t care if he wrecks someone). So from my perspective, BK ’caused’ the first crash (as did CE). Did BK intend to send CE into the wall (and into Logano as well)? No more than CE intended to flip BK. To me, the two contacts were about the same, both being minor bumps that had unforeseen results, both took place because a driver wanted to send a message to the other driver.
the new 4 car team
2 racers trying to win
1 blocker protecting the racers
1 wrecker trying to take out other teams racers
If i want to see a derby I sure am not paying $ 250.00 for seats I can go to the fairgrounds for $13.00 not to mention how much cheaper the beer is.
I just want to say Bravo to Neon. I agree with both of your posts.
Neon- I like the image of Tony Stewart and Juan Montoya sitting at a picnic table on the infield working out their problems. “It upset me when you…” I think this is something we need to lobby for.
Ric and TC
About the Goodyear tires. Most teams will request a set of tires from each race be delivered to the shop. I guess those are the ones they either save or use for the transport. Companies like mine also request through the teams a few tires from the race also for use in collectibles from the race winning cars or in general memorablilia items.