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		<title>By: Ross</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ross</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 25 Feb 2010 19:04:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Re: Westward expansion...don&#039;t forget that Riverside was an original NASCAR track.  And at least 7 current Cup drivers are from California.  How can you ignore it?

The last thing I&#039;ll say about the Fontana track (I promise!) is that the crowd is the most diverse I&#039;ve ever seen.  We all know how important that is for NASCAR so in that sense, it&#039;s a success.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Re: Westward expansion&#8230;don&#8217;t forget that Riverside was an original NASCAR track.  And at least 7 current Cup drivers are from California.  How can you ignore it?</p>
<p>The last thing I&#8217;ll say about the Fontana track (I promise!) is that the crowd is the most diverse I&#8217;ve ever seen.  We all know how important that is for NASCAR so in that sense, it&#8217;s a success.</p>
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		<title>By: Kevin</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kevin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 25 Feb 2010 17:59:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>#12: For one thing, this past race featured the most side-by-side racing I ever remember seeing at California. Generally it is even more boring. But aside from the boring racing, I think many traditional fans (myself included) view California as the epitome of NASCAR&#039;S attempts to expand westward which have not turned out to be very successful. We see half-full stands at California and wonder why we&#039;re not at Rockingham for the second race of the season, the way it was for so many years.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>#12: For one thing, this past race featured the most side-by-side racing I ever remember seeing at California. Generally it is even more boring. But aside from the boring racing, I think many traditional fans (myself included) view California as the epitome of NASCAR&#8217;S attempts to expand westward which have not turned out to be very successful. We see half-full stands at California and wonder why we&#8217;re not at Rockingham for the second race of the season, the way it was for so many years.</p>
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		<title>By: Ross</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ross</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 25 Feb 2010 16:41:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Doug in CA:  I agree with you!  I used to go to Fontana too and thought it was a lot of fun.  What you say about the TV coverage is absolutely right.  It&#039;s a place to watch a race in person and while it can get spread out, there&#039;s always someone to watch battle with his car or battle for position.  Let&#039;s face it -- there are a lot of tracks where the racing gets spread out after about 50 laps -- even here in Charlotte!

Fontana is a fan-friendly track.   The facility is nice (with misters -- I was there once when it was 105 degrees!) and you can get there on an air-conditioned chartered train from downtown Los Angeles!  No need to sit in race traffic, just get on the train and head out.  You&#039;re back in LA in an hour.

And don&#039;t even get me started on the greatness of KING TACO at the track!!

I usually keep quiet about Fontana because I&#039;ve taken enough heat for defending it in the past but it&#039;s really kinda fun and the racing can be good.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Doug in CA:  I agree with you!  I used to go to Fontana too and thought it was a lot of fun.  What you say about the TV coverage is absolutely right.  It&#8217;s a place to watch a race in person and while it can get spread out, there&#8217;s always someone to watch battle with his car or battle for position.  Let&#8217;s face it &#8212; there are a lot of tracks where the racing gets spread out after about 50 laps &#8212; even here in Charlotte!</p>
<p>Fontana is a fan-friendly track.   The facility is nice (with misters &#8212; I was there once when it was 105 degrees!) and you can get there on an air-conditioned chartered train from downtown Los Angeles!  No need to sit in race traffic, just get on the train and head out.  You&#8217;re back in LA in an hour.</p>
<p>And don&#8217;t even get me started on the greatness of KING TACO at the track!!</p>
<p>I usually keep quiet about Fontana because I&#8217;ve taken enough heat for defending it in the past but it&#8217;s really kinda fun and the racing can be good.</p>
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		<title>By: yankeegranny</title>
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		<dc:creator>yankeegranny</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 25 Feb 2010 02:04:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>We live in SC and have season tickets for Richmond.  My hubby can&#039;t walk long distances and the track is fantastic for people who need assistance.  We sit on the mezannine or a little above it. Anywhere from the finish line to turn four give you a great view of pit row. Restrooms are super abundant and clean. The employees and volunteers are friendly and very helpful .  We drive to the Nationwide race and have never had a problem parking.  We do not drive to the Sprint Cup race;we park downtown and take the shuttle.  It is the only way to go if you are staying at a hotel.  If you have a motorhome. I don&#039;t know.  If I sound like a cheerleader for Richmond, I am.  We have gone to Darlington, Atlanta, Martinsville, Charlotte and Pocono, and like Richmond the best.  Enjoy yourself., but take the shuttle, please.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>We live in SC and have season tickets for Richmond.  My hubby can&#8217;t walk long distances and the track is fantastic for people who need assistance.  We sit on the mezannine or a little above it. Anywhere from the finish line to turn four give you a great view of pit row. Restrooms are super abundant and clean. The employees and volunteers are friendly and very helpful .  We drive to the Nationwide race and have never had a problem parking.  We do not drive to the Sprint Cup race;we park downtown and take the shuttle.  It is the only way to go if you are staying at a hotel.  If you have a motorhome. I don&#8217;t know.  If I sound like a cheerleader for Richmond, I am.  We have gone to Darlington, Atlanta, Martinsville, Charlotte and Pocono, and like Richmond the best.  Enjoy yourself., but take the shuttle, please.</p>
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		<title>By: Grover</title>
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		<dc:creator>Grover</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 25 Feb 2010 00:17:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>#6 The way tracks are measured varies. the &quot;true&quot; way is one and a half car widths off the bottom line of the track.  So at say Daytona 1 1/2 car widths off the double yellow line.

However I know Bristol and several other tracks measure 15 feet off the outside wall.  Could be 10 like Kevin said, it was many beers ago.


On road courses they measure the center of the racing line. So they are measuring the path that cars take, not just the shortest way around it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>#6 The way tracks are measured varies. the &#8220;true&#8221; way is one and a half car widths off the bottom line of the track.  So at say Daytona 1 1/2 car widths off the double yellow line.</p>
<p>However I know Bristol and several other tracks measure 15 feet off the outside wall.  Could be 10 like Kevin said, it was many beers ago.</p>
<p>On road courses they measure the center of the racing line. So they are measuring the path that cars take, not just the shortest way around it.</p>
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		<title>By: Kevin</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kevin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Feb 2010 19:54:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>#6: I have also heard several times in the past that tracks are measured 10 feet from the outside wall, though I&#039;m not 100% sure that is correct.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>#6: I have also heard several times in the past that tracks are measured 10 feet from the outside wall, though I&#8217;m not 100% sure that is correct.</p>
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		<title>By: Neon</title>
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		<dc:creator>Neon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Feb 2010 19:38:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Re Stephen #3: I venture to say that Andretti was more than willing to &quot;allow&quot; DP to test the waters in NASCAR. Think about it, look how much attention is brought to Andretti via Danicamania just in the last 2 months alone.

DP fans will likely not agree w/ me here, but IMHO Andretti only signed DP away from Rahal-Letterman only for the money... and that is all. In the event that DP actually wins the Indy 500, &quot;most&quot; IRL teams would jockey to be the team responsible for the win. Win or lose, DP is a cash-cow. A nice looking cash-cash, but a cash-cow none the less. An Indy win by DP, would far exceed the exposure revenue even generated by say a 7 win season and Championship by Kanaan, Dixon, Franchitti and certainly Wheldon.

Lastly, DP is much more likely to get hurt in an open wheel IRL car going 230  than a tin-top NW car going 190 mph.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Re Stephen #3: I venture to say that Andretti was more than willing to &#8220;allow&#8221; DP to test the waters in NASCAR. Think about it, look how much attention is brought to Andretti via Danicamania just in the last 2 months alone.</p>
<p>DP fans will likely not agree w/ me here, but IMHO Andretti only signed DP away from Rahal-Letterman only for the money&#8230; and that is all. In the event that DP actually wins the Indy 500, &#8220;most&#8221; IRL teams would jockey to be the team responsible for the win. Win or lose, DP is a cash-cow. A nice looking cash-cash, but a cash-cow none the less. An Indy win by DP, would far exceed the exposure revenue even generated by say a 7 win season and Championship by Kanaan, Dixon, Franchitti and certainly Wheldon.</p>
<p>Lastly, DP is much more likely to get hurt in an open wheel IRL car going 230  than a tin-top NW car going 190 mph.</p>
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		<title>By: Doug in CA</title>
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		<dc:creator>Doug in CA</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Feb 2010 19:33:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Eric &amp; Scott, here are my thoughts on the race in Fontana, which I attended.  My seats are in row 42, near the top, so I can see virtually the entire track.  As someone who has been going to NASCAR races since Riverside in the late 70s, and at Fontana since it opened, I think Fontana can be a great place to watch a race in person, especially if you&#039;re a hard-core fan.  If you&#039;re dabbling in NASCAR and only care about the lead, sure, it&#039;s generally boring.  I thought this race was one of the better ones I have seen there.

On Sunday I saw constant side-by-side racing inside the top ten.  I saw cars duelling as one rode the high line and the other the low line.  The radio guys talked about the number of racing grooves, and they were right.  Stuff happens there, but it happens gradually.  That doesn&#039;t make for great TV, I admit.  TV can&#039;t watch two cars battle for 5th for 20 laps in a row.  They can&#039;t watch one car close on another over a space of 15 laps, especially when it&#039;s the guy in 10th closing in on 9th.  But if you&#039;re there, it&#039;s great racing.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Eric &amp; Scott, here are my thoughts on the race in Fontana, which I attended.  My seats are in row 42, near the top, so I can see virtually the entire track.  As someone who has been going to NASCAR races since Riverside in the late 70s, and at Fontana since it opened, I think Fontana can be a great place to watch a race in person, especially if you&#8217;re a hard-core fan.  If you&#8217;re dabbling in NASCAR and only care about the lead, sure, it&#8217;s generally boring.  I thought this race was one of the better ones I have seen there.</p>
<p>On Sunday I saw constant side-by-side racing inside the top ten.  I saw cars duelling as one rode the high line and the other the low line.  The radio guys talked about the number of racing grooves, and they were right.  Stuff happens there, but it happens gradually.  That doesn&#8217;t make for great TV, I admit.  TV can&#8217;t watch two cars battle for 5th for 20 laps in a row.  They can&#8217;t watch one car close on another over a space of 15 laps, especially when it&#8217;s the guy in 10th closing in on 9th.  But if you&#8217;re there, it&#8217;s great racing.</p>
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		<title>By: Melissa</title>
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		<dc:creator>Melissa</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Feb 2010 19:03:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Advice for Richmond- 

Richmond is a Friday/Saturday weekend.  The Cup race is also, or at least used to be, an impound race so there is not much happening at the track before the race; the vendors, sponsor displays, and SPEED are all there plus tailgating.  If you go on Friday for the NW race you also get to see both practices (Cup and NW), both qualifying sessions and the NW race.  There is a usually a big (2-3 or 4 hour) break bewteen the end of Cup practice and NW qualifying.  SPEED usually has things going on during the day at the stage.  Trackside is usually taped before NW qualifying.  

Check the track&#039;s website for their pit road pass.  This will allow you to walk behind the wall on pit road.  You will NOT be allowed into the garage areas nor on pit road. 

As others have said, higher is better for seating.  Traffic is horrible.  The earlier you get there the better.  After the race, some of the crews (and occasional driver) cross the track on the frontstretch or via the &quot;fan&quot; pit road tunnel to get back to their vehicles.   If you haven&#039;t done your souvenier shopping yet, some, if not most, of the merchandise trailers will be open for at least 1/2 hour to an hour after the checkers.  I usally wind up hanging out for a bit after the race to let traffic die down.</description>
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<p>Richmond is a Friday/Saturday weekend.  The Cup race is also, or at least used to be, an impound race so there is not much happening at the track before the race; the vendors, sponsor displays, and SPEED are all there plus tailgating.  If you go on Friday for the NW race you also get to see both practices (Cup and NW), both qualifying sessions and the NW race.  There is a usually a big (2-3 or 4 hour) break bewteen the end of Cup practice and NW qualifying.  SPEED usually has things going on during the day at the stage.  Trackside is usually taped before NW qualifying.  </p>
<p>Check the track&#8217;s website for their pit road pass.  This will allow you to walk behind the wall on pit road.  You will NOT be allowed into the garage areas nor on pit road. </p>
<p>As others have said, higher is better for seating.  Traffic is horrible.  The earlier you get there the better.  After the race, some of the crews (and occasional driver) cross the track on the frontstretch or via the &#8220;fan&#8221; pit road tunnel to get back to their vehicles.   If you haven&#8217;t done your souvenier shopping yet, some, if not most, of the merchandise trailers will be open for at least 1/2 hour to an hour after the checkers.  I usally wind up hanging out for a bit after the race to let traffic die down.</p>
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		<title>By: Ric</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ric</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Feb 2010 16:27:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>In response to #3.  Michael is letting her go test the waters in NASCAR because HE left the CART at the peak of his racing career and went to F1 to test the waters there. He knows what it is like to want to see how you can do in other racing leagues. I thought I heard somewhere that he actually encouraged her to give NASCAR a try. 

It’s true his dad raced NASCAR but back then it was very common for drivers to race in all different types of leagues, Daytona in a stock car one day, a ½ mile dirt track in a midget the next.  

If memory serves me correctly I think her contract with Andretti Autosports and JR Motorsports is the same length. I’m sure all set up on purpose. If she does decent then she can make the move to NASCAR. If she doesn’t do good then she can re-sign a contract in IRL.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In response to #3.  Michael is letting her go test the waters in NASCAR because HE left the CART at the peak of his racing career and went to F1 to test the waters there. He knows what it is like to want to see how you can do in other racing leagues. I thought I heard somewhere that he actually encouraged her to give NASCAR a try. </p>
<p>It’s true his dad raced NASCAR but back then it was very common for drivers to race in all different types of leagues, Daytona in a stock car one day, a ½ mile dirt track in a midget the next.  </p>
<p>If memory serves me correctly I think her contract with Andretti Autosports and JR Motorsports is the same length. I’m sure all set up on purpose. If she does decent then she can make the move to NASCAR. If she doesn’t do good then she can re-sign a contract in IRL.</p>
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