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		<title>By: Tad</title>
		<link>http://www.thenascarinsiders.com/2009/06/19/mayfield-is-in-it-up-to-his-neck/comment-page-1/#comment-33780</link>
		<dc:creator>Tad</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 12 Dec 2010 22:33:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>does NASCAR have a rehab and support program like most major companies these days?  if not, why? if so, why isn&#039;t JM in it (IF he does have such a problem)?  and.. IF so.. he CAN be protected by the ADA (American with Disabilities Act).  any comments, ideas?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>does NASCAR have a rehab and support program like most major companies these days?  if not, why? if so, why isn&#8217;t JM in it (IF he does have such a problem)?  and.. IF so.. he CAN be protected by the ADA (American with Disabilities Act).  any comments, ideas?</p>
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		<title>By: marc</title>
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		<dc:creator>marc</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 26 Jun 2009 23:04:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Um, no. That would be wild assed theorys and guesswork that preceded Capernicus &amp; Magellan.

Sorry you missed that. Really.

As you probably know by now Mayfield&#039;s latest court filings (Thursday) pretty much confirms the drug found was Meth.

Now the question is will ESPN&#039;s two sources be hauled into court for violation the gag order.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Um, no. That would be wild assed theorys and guesswork that preceded Capernicus &amp; Magellan.</p>
<p>Sorry you missed that. Really.</p>
<p>As you probably know by now Mayfield&#8217;s latest court filings (Thursday) pretty much confirms the drug found was Meth.</p>
<p>Now the question is will ESPN&#8217;s two sources be hauled into court for violation the gag order.</p>
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		<title>By: knobcreekfan</title>
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		<dc:creator>knobcreekfan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 26 Jun 2009 14:39:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>marc - &quot;knobcreekfan - &#039;Remember, at one time in our history, the sun revolved around Earth and the Earth was not round. And then guys like Capernicus &amp; Magellan came along.&#039;

I’m supposed to rely on wild assed theorys and guesswork?&quot;

I could always tell you are pretty set in your ways, but I had no idea you thought the Earth being round was a &quot;wild assed theory.&quot;  For those of you in California...watch your step, you are getting close to the edge.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>marc &#8211; &#8220;knobcreekfan &#8211; &#8216;Remember, at one time in our history, the sun revolved around Earth and the Earth was not round. And then guys like Capernicus &amp; Magellan came along.&#8217;</p>
<p>I’m supposed to rely on wild assed theorys and guesswork?&#8221;</p>
<p>I could always tell you are pretty set in your ways, but I had no idea you thought the Earth being round was a &#8220;wild assed theory.&#8221;  For those of you in California&#8230;watch your step, you are getting close to the edge.</p>
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		<title>By: knobcreekfan</title>
		<link>http://www.thenascarinsiders.com/2009/06/19/mayfield-is-in-it-up-to-his-neck/comment-page-1/#comment-9613</link>
		<dc:creator>knobcreekfan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 26 Jun 2009 13:53:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ellen - I know all about personal guarantees...have one myself.  I also know things are not always simple.  I once worked with a group that was a 2-car team, but had 29 different corps/llc to limit liability and protect assets.  I also know about piercing the corporate veil...I have successfully pierced some.   

As I said originally, &quot;generally speaking, the debts &amp; liabilities of a corporation (or LLC) remain the debts &amp; liabilities of the corporation. They do not pass-through to the shareholders of the corporation.&quot;  Note how I said &quot;generally speaking&quot; allowing for those types of possibilities.    

I REALLY do not want to rehash the conversation and I am sure whatever I say, marc is going to claim is wrong, nonsense or &quot;wild assed theorys and guesswork.&quot;  But WAY back...marc stated to steve that, &quot;Mayfield owns it, to claim the &#039;corporation&#039; should be responsible and not the owner is nonsensical.&quot;   

My point then was that steve&#039;s claim - &quot;The law suit from Triad should be against the JMR Corporation, not JM so that suit should not hurt him personally or financially.&quot; - was not nonsense.   Nonsense -  &quot;words or language having no meaning or conveying no intelligible ideas.&quot; 

Note, steve specifically addressed the Triad lawsuit.  Not any other loans/liabilities of MMI.  

Now, I have not seen the actual court documents (if someone has a link - I would love to read it), but in none of the articles I have seen does it state that TRT &amp; BDR have sued Jeremy personally - just the corporation.  One would assume that IF they had personal guarantees from Jeremy (or had attached to personal assets of Jeremy), they would have sued Jeremy personally and not just the corporation.  Accordingly, either 1) TRT/BDR attorneys did a bad job in preparing the suit or 2) they do not have a personal guarantee. 

Which gets me back to &quot;the law suit from Triad should be against the JMR Corporation, not JM so that suit should not hurt him personally or financially&quot; is not nonsense.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ellen &#8211; I know all about personal guarantees&#8230;have one myself.  I also know things are not always simple.  I once worked with a group that was a 2-car team, but had 29 different corps/llc to limit liability and protect assets.  I also know about piercing the corporate veil&#8230;I have successfully pierced some.   </p>
<p>As I said originally, &#8220;generally speaking, the debts &amp; liabilities of a corporation (or LLC) remain the debts &amp; liabilities of the corporation. They do not pass-through to the shareholders of the corporation.&#8221;  Note how I said &#8220;generally speaking&#8221; allowing for those types of possibilities.    </p>
<p>I REALLY do not want to rehash the conversation and I am sure whatever I say, marc is going to claim is wrong, nonsense or &#8220;wild assed theorys and guesswork.&#8221;  But WAY back&#8230;marc stated to steve that, &#8220;Mayfield owns it, to claim the &#8216;corporation&#8217; should be responsible and not the owner is nonsensical.&#8221;   </p>
<p>My point then was that steve&#8217;s claim &#8211; &#8220;The law suit from Triad should be against the JMR Corporation, not JM so that suit should not hurt him personally or financially.&#8221; &#8211; was not nonsense.   Nonsense &#8211;  &#8220;words or language having no meaning or conveying no intelligible ideas.&#8221; </p>
<p>Note, steve specifically addressed the Triad lawsuit.  Not any other loans/liabilities of MMI.  </p>
<p>Now, I have not seen the actual court documents (if someone has a link &#8211; I would love to read it), but in none of the articles I have seen does it state that TRT &amp; BDR have sued Jeremy personally &#8211; just the corporation.  One would assume that IF they had personal guarantees from Jeremy (or had attached to personal assets of Jeremy), they would have sued Jeremy personally and not just the corporation.  Accordingly, either 1) TRT/BDR attorneys did a bad job in preparing the suit or 2) they do not have a personal guarantee. </p>
<p>Which gets me back to &#8220;the law suit from Triad should be against the JMR Corporation, not JM so that suit should not hurt him personally or financially&#8221; is not nonsense.</p>
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		<title>By: Ellen</title>
		<link>http://www.thenascarinsiders.com/2009/06/19/mayfield-is-in-it-up-to-his-neck/comment-page-1/#comment-9583</link>
		<dc:creator>Ellen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 26 Jun 2009 03:04:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>knobcreekfan - certain companies make small corporations have an officer or large share-holder give a personal guarantee on some debts.  So, without knowing whether or not Triad or BDR granted credit to the corporation alone, or if Mayfield had to give a personal guarantee, it&#039;s not 100% sure he can just bankrupt the race team and walk away scott free.  Chances are he can as to that debt, but a personal guarantee is always a possibilty - and if he financed a hauler or other equipment  - there&#039;s almost definitely a personal guarantee on that. 

It&#039;s not always so simple.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>knobcreekfan &#8211; certain companies make small corporations have an officer or large share-holder give a personal guarantee on some debts.  So, without knowing whether or not Triad or BDR granted credit to the corporation alone, or if Mayfield had to give a personal guarantee, it&#8217;s not 100% sure he can just bankrupt the race team and walk away scott free.  Chances are he can as to that debt, but a personal guarantee is always a possibilty &#8211; and if he financed a hauler or other equipment  &#8211; there&#8217;s almost definitely a personal guarantee on that. </p>
<p>It&#8217;s not always so simple.</p>
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		<title>By: marc</title>
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		<dc:creator>marc</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Jun 2009 20:02:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>knobcreekfan - &lt;em&gt;&quot;Remember, at one time in our history, the sun revolved around Earth and the Earth was not round. And then guys like Capernicus &amp; Magellan came along.&quot;&lt;/em&gt;

I&#039;m supposed to rely on wild assed theorys and guesswork?

And by extension the courts hearing his case will also?

That shyster Mayfield hired that filed a fake resume might go that route but I&#039;m not.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>knobcreekfan &#8211; <em>&#8220;Remember, at one time in our history, the sun revolved around Earth and the Earth was not round. And then guys like Capernicus &amp; Magellan came along.&#8221;</em></p>
<p>I&#8217;m supposed to rely on wild assed theorys and guesswork?</p>
<p>And by extension the courts hearing his case will also?</p>
<p>That shyster Mayfield hired that filed a fake resume might go that route but I&#8217;m not.</p>
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		<title>By: Richard in N.C.</title>
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		<dc:creator>Richard in N.C.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Jun 2009 22:34:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I believe it is entirely possible that Jeremy may have no personal liability AS a shareholder of the corporation or owner or member of the LLC involved except for the capital he contributed to the entity. However, it is common for those extending credit to a new or small LLC or corporation to require the owner to guarantee the obligation of the LLC or corporation - so Jeremy might be on the hook personally as guarantor rather than as the owner of the entity involved.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I believe it is entirely possible that Jeremy may have no personal liability AS a shareholder of the corporation or owner or member of the LLC involved except for the capital he contributed to the entity. However, it is common for those extending credit to a new or small LLC or corporation to require the owner to guarantee the obligation of the LLC or corporation &#8211; so Jeremy might be on the hook personally as guarantor rather than as the owner of the entity involved.</p>
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		<title>By: knobcreekfan</title>
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		<dc:creator>knobcreekfan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Jun 2009 22:05:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>marc - please.  You can talk about LLC&#039;s and members and their contributions all you want.  Mayfield Motorsports, Inc (notice the &quot;inc&quot; in the name) is a cor-por-a-tion.  Again, it does not matter, but MMI was formed in 1994...that is not &quot;sudden appearance.&quot;

marc - please open your mind a little....just a little.  I understand the science involved and how chemical makeups are different, etc, etc...  In theory, the combination he says he took should not cause the results that are there.  I get that.

However (and here is where you need to open your mind for just a minute), the thought of performing this test is to prove &quot;current testing methods&quot; and that sciene wrong.  Remember, at one time in our history, the sun revolved around Earth and the Earth was not round.  And then guys like Capernicus &amp; Magellan came along.  

Again - &quot;Now, your over/under bet…since you are saying JM is personally liable for all of this, am I correct in assuming the bet is JM’s personal bankruptcy? Also, since you have to choose either over OR under for the bet, am I also correct in assuming you are taking the under?&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>marc &#8211; please.  You can talk about LLC&#8217;s and members and their contributions all you want.  Mayfield Motorsports, Inc (notice the &#8220;inc&#8221; in the name) is a cor-por-a-tion.  Again, it does not matter, but MMI was formed in 1994&#8230;that is not &#8220;sudden appearance.&#8221;</p>
<p>marc &#8211; please open your mind a little&#8230;.just a little.  I understand the science involved and how chemical makeups are different, etc, etc&#8230;  In theory, the combination he says he took should not cause the results that are there.  I get that.</p>
<p>However (and here is where you need to open your mind for just a minute), the thought of performing this test is to prove &#8220;current testing methods&#8221; and that sciene wrong.  Remember, at one time in our history, the sun revolved around Earth and the Earth was not round.  And then guys like Capernicus &amp; Magellan came along.  </p>
<p>Again &#8211; &#8220;Now, your over/under bet…since you are saying JM is personally liable for all of this, am I correct in assuming the bet is JM’s personal bankruptcy? Also, since you have to choose either over OR under for the bet, am I also correct in assuming you are taking the under?&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: marc</title>
		<link>http://www.thenascarinsiders.com/2009/06/19/mayfield-is-in-it-up-to-his-neck/comment-page-1/#comment-9467</link>
		<dc:creator>marc</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Jun 2009 20:43:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>knobcreekfan - &lt;em&quot;Mayfield Motorsports, Inc is a corporation. Say it with me….cor-por-a-tion. It is simply irrelevant if he is the sole shareholder or he has 1000 other shareholders.&quot;&lt;/em&gt;

&quot;Say it with me….&quot; &lt;em&gt;&quot;A, L. L. C.  m. e. m. b. e. r. ’s liability to repay its obligations is limited to his or her capital contribution.&lt;/em&gt;

Do you know what Mayfield’s “contribution is?” Given the fly-by-night and sudden appearance of the race team I&#039;m betting something far north of 50% which put him on the hook in any lawsuits.

knobcreekfan - &lt;em&gt;&quot;What you are testing is if the drug combination JM says he took will cause the same results again. It is a standard principle of science&quot;&lt;/em&gt;

I see you mimicking &quot;stevec&quot; by not reading the links provided.

Mayfied alleges the combination of Claritin and Adderall caused a positive Amphetamine result.

&lt;a href=&quot;http://stockcarscience.com/blog/index.php/2009/06/10/mayfield_meth2&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Read about&lt;/a&gt; d-methamphetamine and i-methamphetamine.

Additionally current testing methods allow testers to &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.amphetamines.com/adderall/enantiomers.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;rule out prescription drugs as the source of the positive results&lt;/a&gt;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>knobcreekfan &#8211; &lt;em&#8221;Mayfield Motorsports, Inc is a corporation. Say it with me….cor-por-a-tion. It is simply irrelevant if he is the sole shareholder or he has 1000 other shareholders.&#8221;</p>
<p>&#8220;Say it with me….&#8221; <em>&#8220;A, L. L. C.  m. e. m. b. e. r. ’s liability to repay its obligations is limited to his or her capital contribution.</em></p>
<p>Do you know what Mayfield’s “contribution is?” Given the fly-by-night and sudden appearance of the race team I&#8217;m betting something far north of 50% which put him on the hook in any lawsuits.</p>
<p>knobcreekfan &#8211; <em>&#8220;What you are testing is if the drug combination JM says he took will cause the same results again. It is a standard principle of science&#8221;</em></p>
<p>I see you mimicking &#8220;stevec&#8221; by not reading the links provided.</p>
<p>Mayfied alleges the combination of Claritin and Adderall caused a positive Amphetamine result.</p>
<p><a href="http://stockcarscience.com/blog/index.php/2009/06/10/mayfield_meth2" rel="nofollow">Read about</a> d-methamphetamine and i-methamphetamine.</p>
<p>Additionally current testing methods allow testers to <a href="http://www.amphetamines.com/adderall/enantiomers.html" rel="nofollow">rule out prescription drugs as the source of the positive results</a>.</p>
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		<title>By: knobcreekfan</title>
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		<dc:creator>knobcreekfan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Jun 2009 13:17:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>marc - and on the testing...you are not really testing for amphetamines or meth or anything else as you normally would test for in a normal random test.  What you are testing is if the drug combination JM says he took will cause the same results again.  It is a standard principle of science....great, you made it do that once...now replicate it and prove it was not a fluke.

He takes the baseline and presumably tests clean.  He takes whatever combination of meds he contends...if he said he had a mountain dew &amp; a tic-tac, give him a mountain dew and a tic-tac too.  You wait the necessary time for those to get into his blood stream and test again.  I do not know how long that time frame is, but keep him under absolute supervision until then.  If the results come back the same as the NASCAR test, then he proves the current test is a false positive.  If they come back different than the NASCAR results, he is proved wrong.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>marc &#8211; and on the testing&#8230;you are not really testing for amphetamines or meth or anything else as you normally would test for in a normal random test.  What you are testing is if the drug combination JM says he took will cause the same results again.  It is a standard principle of science&#8230;.great, you made it do that once&#8230;now replicate it and prove it was not a fluke.</p>
<p>He takes the baseline and presumably tests clean.  He takes whatever combination of meds he contends&#8230;if he said he had a mountain dew &amp; a tic-tac, give him a mountain dew and a tic-tac too.  You wait the necessary time for those to get into his blood stream and test again.  I do not know how long that time frame is, but keep him under absolute supervision until then.  If the results come back the same as the NASCAR test, then he proves the current test is a false positive.  If they come back different than the NASCAR results, he is proved wrong.</p>
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