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		<title>By: T.C.</title>
		<link>http://www.thenascarinsiders.com/2009/06/17/some-thoughts-about-racism-nascar/comment-page-2/#comment-36098</link>
		<dc:creator>T.C.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Apr 2011 18:32:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Andrew: Geographically, yes.  But visit South Florida, and then go to Charlotte, Columbia, Atlanta, Knoxville, or Birmingham and tell me how it compares...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Andrew: Geographically, yes.  But visit South Florida, and then go to Charlotte, Columbia, Atlanta, Knoxville, or Birmingham and tell me how it compares&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Andrew</title>
		<link>http://www.thenascarinsiders.com/2009/06/17/some-thoughts-about-racism-nascar/comment-page-2/#comment-36096</link>
		<dc:creator>Andrew</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Apr 2011 18:29:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;I think it’s interesting though that some people are calling Berry a racist and connecting him to NASCAR’s southern roots, yet Berry isn’t even from the South!  He’s actually a native of South Florida...&quot; Correct me if I&#039;m wrong, but isn&#039;t Florida a southern state?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;I think it’s interesting though that some people are calling Berry a racist and connecting him to NASCAR’s southern roots, yet Berry isn’t even from the South!  He’s actually a native of South Florida&#8230;&#8221; Correct me if I&#8217;m wrong, but isn&#8217;t Florida a southern state?</p>
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		<title>By: sierrapaul</title>
		<link>http://www.thenascarinsiders.com/2009/06/17/some-thoughts-about-racism-nascar/comment-page-2/#comment-33970</link>
		<dc:creator>sierrapaul</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 28 Dec 2010 23:55:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The biggest problem with NASCAR is NOT racism, it is: (1) there are too many cars on the track in races, making it too hard to watch the races, (2) only a few top drivers dominate, especially Jimmy Johnson whose 4 consecutive titles are starting to make the sport lose its legitimacy vs., say, the NFL, (3) too many of the races look the same, just cars playing &quot;follow the leader&quot; going around in circles (only 2 road course races in 30+ events is ridiculous, and it illustrates the stubbornness of the corn-poke Southerners who run NASCAR and refuse to give it a little variety), (4) there are absolutely NO NASCAR races at all in the Pacific Northwest.

Until all of these issues are fixed, NASCAR will continue to be considered a fringe sport by most.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The biggest problem with NASCAR is NOT racism, it is: (1) there are too many cars on the track in races, making it too hard to watch the races, (2) only a few top drivers dominate, especially Jimmy Johnson whose 4 consecutive titles are starting to make the sport lose its legitimacy vs., say, the NFL, (3) too many of the races look the same, just cars playing &#8220;follow the leader&#8221; going around in circles (only 2 road course races in 30+ events is ridiculous, and it illustrates the stubbornness of the corn-poke Southerners who run NASCAR and refuse to give it a little variety), (4) there are absolutely NO NASCAR races at all in the Pacific Northwest.</p>
<p>Until all of these issues are fixed, NASCAR will continue to be considered a fringe sport by most.</p>
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		<title>By: marc</title>
		<link>http://www.thenascarinsiders.com/2009/06/17/some-thoughts-about-racism-nascar/comment-page-2/#comment-9603</link>
		<dc:creator>marc</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 26 Jun 2009 10:33:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>NEON - HUH?!

That 1st para is an answer? No it&#039;s nonsense, and another dodge of the question.

My lilly-white butt isn&#039;t eligible for the D4D program either, so what. You keep trying to classify D4D as some sort of quota system and it&#039;s not.

It just allows them access to better equipment in some cases, better sponsors and most importantly higher profile with regards to the press.

The program guarantees nothing beyond that.

&lt;em&gt;&quot;Forgive me if I don’t get the title correct, as I admitedly cannot find your original post on the TNI last month, where You mentioned being the top blogger of the NASCAR internet, or something of the sort.&quot;&lt;/em&gt;

Did you really have to ask, or really have to search for a past post here to find the answer?

Wouldn&#039;t it have been easier to click on my name, then on the blog page entitled &quot;Accolades?&quot;

Yeah, I just made it all up. /sarcasm tags not optional.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>NEON &#8211; HUH?!</p>
<p>That 1st para is an answer? No it&#8217;s nonsense, and another dodge of the question.</p>
<p>My lilly-white butt isn&#8217;t eligible for the D4D program either, so what. You keep trying to classify D4D as some sort of quota system and it&#8217;s not.</p>
<p>It just allows them access to better equipment in some cases, better sponsors and most importantly higher profile with regards to the press.</p>
<p>The program guarantees nothing beyond that.</p>
<p><em>&#8220;Forgive me if I don’t get the title correct, as I admitedly cannot find your original post on the TNI last month, where You mentioned being the top blogger of the NASCAR internet, or something of the sort.&#8221;</em></p>
<p>Did you really have to ask, or really have to search for a past post here to find the answer?</p>
<p>Wouldn&#8217;t it have been easier to click on my name, then on the blog page entitled &#8220;Accolades?&#8221;</p>
<p>Yeah, I just made it all up. /sarcasm tags not optional.</p>
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		<title>By: Neon</title>
		<link>http://www.thenascarinsiders.com/2009/06/17/some-thoughts-about-racism-nascar/comment-page-2/#comment-9582</link>
		<dc:creator>Neon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 26 Jun 2009 02:48:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Marc-I truly am sorry for the delay. Pardon me for work and coaching my baseball team today has tugged me away from the computer.

As far as answering your question (at first I thought your were calling me a &quot;Dodge&quot; fan LOL) here goes. Answer: Me, the kid down the street just like me, the kid winning races at my local short track just like me, the kid just like me that has the most talent I&#039;ve seen in a while, but just doesn&#039;t have the financial means to advance. Is he, or she eligible for D4D I ask you yet again? Is that a hypothical answer or real situation I ask you? Hypothetical? Nope. Real? You betcha and it happens every day.

Forgive me if I don&#039;t get the title correct, as I admitedly cannot find your original post on the TNI last month, where You mentioned  being the top blogger of the NASCAR internet, or something of the sort. Question: is that self imposed or sanctioned by a group. I honestly do not know.
Reason being? You demand my immediate response? Hmmmm that&#039;s is just plain sillyness. I have other things to do and hope that you do well.

Now, back to my question of you....Ummmmm....last week (#56 above). Last time I looked Marcos Ambrose &quot;is&quot; of another National Origin which is what I mentioned. No comprehendo?

Hey I have a grand idea. Remember the Red Bull search where drivers were selected based on talent and marketability...soley? Now you are an educated and knowledgeable gear-head, from what I&#039;ve read, but that was a pretty good crop of talent (Scott Speed, Paul Edwards, etc) wasn&#039;t it? And guess what? No strings attached. OK maybe youthful age.

Guess it&#039;s time to move on...... and BTW you don&#039;t have to respond to the Marcos deal. I like te fact that we both appreciated Australian V8 Supercup! Later gator...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Marc-I truly am sorry for the delay. Pardon me for work and coaching my baseball team today has tugged me away from the computer.</p>
<p>As far as answering your question (at first I thought your were calling me a &#8220;Dodge&#8221; fan LOL) here goes. Answer: Me, the kid down the street just like me, the kid winning races at my local short track just like me, the kid just like me that has the most talent I&#8217;ve seen in a while, but just doesn&#8217;t have the financial means to advance. Is he, or she eligible for D4D I ask you yet again? Is that a hypothical answer or real situation I ask you? Hypothetical? Nope. Real? You betcha and it happens every day.</p>
<p>Forgive me if I don&#8217;t get the title correct, as I admitedly cannot find your original post on the TNI last month, where You mentioned  being the top blogger of the NASCAR internet, or something of the sort. Question: is that self imposed or sanctioned by a group. I honestly do not know.<br />
Reason being? You demand my immediate response? Hmmmm that&#8217;s is just plain sillyness. I have other things to do and hope that you do well.</p>
<p>Now, back to my question of you&#8230;.Ummmmm&#8230;.last week (#56 above). Last time I looked Marcos Ambrose &#8220;is&#8221; of another National Origin which is what I mentioned. No comprehendo?</p>
<p>Hey I have a grand idea. Remember the Red Bull search where drivers were selected based on talent and marketability&#8230;soley? Now you are an educated and knowledgeable gear-head, from what I&#8217;ve read, but that was a pretty good crop of talent (Scott Speed, Paul Edwards, etc) wasn&#8217;t it? And guess what? No strings attached. OK maybe youthful age.</p>
<p>Guess it&#8217;s time to move on&#8230;&#8230; and BTW you don&#8217;t have to respond to the Marcos deal. I like te fact that we both appreciated Australian V8 Supercup! Later gator&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: marc</title>
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		<dc:creator>marc</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 25 Jun 2009 21:01:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Still no answer NEON? 

Still looking for that mythical driver that was passed over for a minority driver?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Still no answer NEON? </p>
<p>Still looking for that mythical driver that was passed over for a minority driver?</p>
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		<title>By: knobcreekfan</title>
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		<dc:creator>knobcreekfan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 25 Jun 2009 13:39:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>McKenzie - I am fine with agreeing to disagree.  However, my main point for you is, be careful.  Don&#039;t bury your head in the sand and think golf is and will always be integrated.  

You have one player.  There was no system in place to groom Tiger in the first place.  There is no system in place to groom the next Tiger.  When Tiger is gone, everyone is going to wonder what happened...we WERE integrated.

Quick story...there is a saying in sports, &quot;a win fixes everything.&quot;  Team morale gets better, player confidence improves, ticket sales increase, etc...  

I was involved with a race team that was performing really bad.  We had most of the tools in place that we should have been doing better though.  Most fingers pointed to the crew cheif.  The team owners refused to make any changes to the organization though.  

Sponsor was upset and talking about not renewing.  Driver was upset and was not going to renew.  Several crew guys were upset and looking for jobs.  It was ugly. 

Well the owners finally agreed that we needed to make some changes.  That was the morning of a race.  &quot;Let&#039;s get home and do it all tomorrow.&quot;   However, we won that day.  It was a fuel mileage race.  

We never should have won that race.  We were a lap down the whole day.  The crew chief even called the driver in for fuel with 5 to go.  The driver was so ticked, he ignored him.  

The checkers fly and everybody is happy.  One owner says to me, &quot;see, we just needed a little patience.&quot;  All of the problems we had 5 hours earlier we magically fixed.  So no changes were made.  We live happily ever after...

Or until we run like crap the next 16 races.  Sponsor switches teams.  Driver leaves.  Most of the crew left.  By the end of the following year, the team is out of business.

Golf has a big win in Tiger.  No doubt about it.  But nothing changed in the fundamentals of the system to ensure Tiger is not a fluke.  

Second point, money cannot buy you happiness or talent.  Bill Lester had a BUNCH of financial support from Dodge.  Willy T Ribbs had a BUNCH of backing from Bill Cosby.  Neither had much talent.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>McKenzie &#8211; I am fine with agreeing to disagree.  However, my main point for you is, be careful.  Don&#8217;t bury your head in the sand and think golf is and will always be integrated.  </p>
<p>You have one player.  There was no system in place to groom Tiger in the first place.  There is no system in place to groom the next Tiger.  When Tiger is gone, everyone is going to wonder what happened&#8230;we WERE integrated.</p>
<p>Quick story&#8230;there is a saying in sports, &#8220;a win fixes everything.&#8221;  Team morale gets better, player confidence improves, ticket sales increase, etc&#8230;  </p>
<p>I was involved with a race team that was performing really bad.  We had most of the tools in place that we should have been doing better though.  Most fingers pointed to the crew cheif.  The team owners refused to make any changes to the organization though.  </p>
<p>Sponsor was upset and talking about not renewing.  Driver was upset and was not going to renew.  Several crew guys were upset and looking for jobs.  It was ugly. </p>
<p>Well the owners finally agreed that we needed to make some changes.  That was the morning of a race.  &#8220;Let&#8217;s get home and do it all tomorrow.&#8221;   However, we won that day.  It was a fuel mileage race.  </p>
<p>We never should have won that race.  We were a lap down the whole day.  The crew chief even called the driver in for fuel with 5 to go.  The driver was so ticked, he ignored him.  </p>
<p>The checkers fly and everybody is happy.  One owner says to me, &#8220;see, we just needed a little patience.&#8221;  All of the problems we had 5 hours earlier we magically fixed.  So no changes were made.  We live happily ever after&#8230;</p>
<p>Or until we run like crap the next 16 races.  Sponsor switches teams.  Driver leaves.  Most of the crew left.  By the end of the following year, the team is out of business.</p>
<p>Golf has a big win in Tiger.  No doubt about it.  But nothing changed in the fundamentals of the system to ensure Tiger is not a fluke.  </p>
<p>Second point, money cannot buy you happiness or talent.  Bill Lester had a BUNCH of financial support from Dodge.  Willy T Ribbs had a BUNCH of backing from Bill Cosby.  Neither had much talent.</p>
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		<title>By: Neon</title>
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		<dc:creator>Neon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 25 Jun 2009 03:51:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Fair enough Mckenzie. You tell me the individual men or women of color you wish to succeed in NASCAR. If this person of your choosing is IMHO worthy and capable of being the best of all racers, I will pull for them 100% regardless of origin. Let&#039;s be specific here and not generic.
BTW I pull for talent and determination and spirit above all anyway.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Fair enough Mckenzie. You tell me the individual men or women of color you wish to succeed in NASCAR. If this person of your choosing is IMHO worthy and capable of being the best of all racers, I will pull for them 100% regardless of origin. Let&#8217;s be specific here and not generic.<br />
BTW I pull for talent and determination and spirit above all anyway.</p>
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		<title>By: marc</title>
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		<dc:creator>marc</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 25 Jun 2009 03:43:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Neon you didn&#039;t answer the question, here let me repeat it:

So tell me where that’s happened in the last 15-20 years?

Just to be clear that&#039;s in ref to your apparent belief there may be some sort of a quota or capable drivers have been passed in favor of a minority.

You contention that your not eligible for the Drive for Diversity Program is nothing but a dodge.

Bet you&#039;re not qualed for food stamps, aid to dependent children or an Obama bailout either, so what.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Neon you didn&#8217;t answer the question, here let me repeat it:</p>
<p>So tell me where that’s happened in the last 15-20 years?</p>
<p>Just to be clear that&#8217;s in ref to your apparent belief there may be some sort of a quota or capable drivers have been passed in favor of a minority.</p>
<p>You contention that your not eligible for the Drive for Diversity Program is nothing but a dodge.</p>
<p>Bet you&#8217;re not qualed for food stamps, aid to dependent children or an Obama bailout either, so what.</p>
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		<title>By: marc</title>
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		<dc:creator>marc</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 25 Jun 2009 03:35:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mckenzie - &lt;em&gt;&quot;Let’s talk again in perhaps….NEVER.
That’s when I predict there will be a Black NASCAR Cup driver.&quot;&lt;/em&gt;

Don&#039;t watch much NASCAR do you?

Here&#039;s a clue look-up the name Marc Davis and while your at it look for the Cuban-American driver Aric Almirola.

I do believe they are both in NASCAR and both are in what is generally called minority races.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mckenzie &#8211; <em>&#8220;Let’s talk again in perhaps….NEVER.<br />
That’s when I predict there will be a Black NASCAR Cup driver.&#8221;</em></p>
<p>Don&#8217;t watch much NASCAR do you?</p>
<p>Here&#8217;s a clue look-up the name Marc Davis and while your at it look for the Cuban-American driver Aric Almirola.</p>
<p>I do believe they are both in NASCAR and both are in what is generally called minority races.</p>
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