Comments on: Carl Long Did The Crime. Now He Needs To Serve The Time

By: K.R.

K.R. — Thu, 11 Jun 2009 12:00:24 +0000

marc-Never said it was fact just a theory. The story means NASCAR will always remind you who’s game it is and have done it in the past to some very high profile people. Some have learned the lesson quickly some have not and have to be reminded. Just had a thought that maybe that is what this whole deal was about and honestly I would be more comfortable with it if it was the case.

By: marc

marc — Wed, 10 Jun 2009 19:39:23 +0000

KR, your anecdote means exactly what?

Actually nothing, but nice try defending something you can’t possibly know as fact.

By: K.R.

K.R. — Wed, 10 Jun 2009 13:56:52 +0000

I remember Larry Mac talking about an incident when he complained about something NASCAR did you him when he was a crew chief. Bill Jr. himself asked him if he enjoyed living in his big house on the lake he got from working in NASCAR. Larry said he took that as “If you want to keep that big house you need to shut up”, same type situation.

By: marc

marc — Tue, 09 Jun 2009 23:01:51 +0000

P.H – “TC, do you wear lipstick or vaseline when you kiss NASCAR’s a**? You seem to think Robbie Gordon not knowing about his bumper is okay, and Carl Long not knowing about his over-sized engine is not.”

“Nice” repartee you have there P.H., it’s pretty obvious with a thread this long someone would start flinging poo around.

Congrats… you win the bobby prize as the first such example.

By: marc

marc — Tue, 09 Jun 2009 22:55:46 +0000

KR – “I can imagine there was some virulent complaining done towards NASCAR. Now with all of the media and outside people in the garage for the all-star event maybe NASCAR was embarrassed.

And with all the media attention one would think Dee Dee’s accusation would have been noted and published by someone, somewhere, to my knowledge it hasn’t been.

That’s not to say she’s not being truthful just that her being so close to the situation and the only source of the accusation it has to be taken with a grain of salt.

By: marc

marc — Tue, 09 Jun 2009 22:45:44 +0000

Amber – The Vickers donation was very publicly announced on several MSM outlets, do a search you will probably come up with a source. I would think the amount posted at Carl’s site includes the Vickers donation but you would have to contact him for verification.

In answer to your other query, yes all NASCAR fines are now given to charity as of the 2008 season.

By: T.C.

T.C. — Tue, 09 Jun 2009 16:40:49 +0000

P.H.: So I’m not allowed to agree with a decision made by NASCAR? Does that mean you are a NASCAR hater because you disagree? Or, does that mean you are kissing Carl Long’s ass because you agree with him? I don’t kiss NASCAR’s ass, drink their kool aid, or anything else. If you look through the comments I showed plenty of cases where we’ve disagreed with them.

I never said I thought Robby Gordon not knowing about his bumper was okay. What I did say was that he got penalized, and there was absolutely no way for him to know the part was illegal, because it came from the manufacturer and had the same part number. Good try though.

And there is no proof that NASCAR penalizes the little guys more then the big guys, and there is no proof that NASCAR wants Carl or the little guys out, so your argument holds no water. Throughout this whole debate, people keep saying that, and yet not one person has offered a single shred of real evidence that proves that.

And I don’t know what you are trying to say with your last sentence, as you left out a few words and it makes no sense…

By: P.H.

P.H. — Tue, 09 Jun 2009 16:24:16 +0000

TC, do you wear lipstick or vaseline when you kiss NASCAR’s a**? You seem to think Robbie Gordon not knowing about his bumper is okay, and Carl Long not knowing about his over-sized engine is not. To me the same logic applies to Robbie Gordon. He bought the bumper so he should have know, and checked it out also…..Although, I don’t believe either guy could have known, and there is NO WAY Nascar would apply the same penalty to the big names in Nascar, so YES they are picking on the little guy. Your disclaimer at the top says to leave comments that spark debate, but obvious are narrow minded and stupid.

By: K.R.

K.R. — Tue, 09 Jun 2009 12:48:32 +0000

Just and odd theory here. After reading DeeDee’s posts this kind of popped into my mind. When they were at the race track and after they have paid all of their entry fees NASCAR decides to change the guaranteed money and short them $21,000 from what was on the entry form. I can imagine there was some virulent complaining done towards NASCAR. Now with all of the media and outside people in the garage for the all-star event maybe NASCAR was embarrassed. With it being NASCAR’s game, what better way to prove that point than to drop the hammer on them for some bs rule violation. If that is the amount he was over then it is bs, like someone posted earlier, that amount can be changed by how many decimals you use for pi. Where is the engine now? If you have to have a drug test verified by a second party why not the engine? NASCAR takes it, calls it illegal and it is probably at the bottom of Lake Norman. Just throwing that one out there. As for Robin Miller in one of my earlier posts, I know he is a blowhard who hates NASCAR with a passion but usually if you filter out all of his biased adjectives the facts are pretty close.

By: T.C.

T.C. — Tue, 09 Jun 2009 11:15:32 +0000

Amber: Yes NASCAR does now give all the money collected from fines to the NASCAR Foundation.