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		<title>By: Richard in N.C.</title>
		<link>http://www.thenascarinsiders.com/2009/05/11/hey-nascar-we-need-a-banned-substances-list/comment-page-1/#comment-7905</link>
		<dc:creator>Richard in N.C.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 May 2009 22:25:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Having been a NASCAR fan since the hemi days, I well know that NASCAR is not perfect and has made mistakes. However, in the past few years it has become the standard media line to criticze NASCAR for everything, maybe because it makes for better headlines. If the current NASCAR drug testing system is so clearly faulty, why did no one from the major media outlets criticize the system last year when it was announced? As I recall, at that time the media was too busy criticizing NASCAR for not having done something more about drug testing sooner.

TC, have you heard anything that NASCAR is planning to make more information available to the teams about the testing system and banned substances or maybe hold workshops?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Having been a NASCAR fan since the hemi days, I well know that NASCAR is not perfect and has made mistakes. However, in the past few years it has become the standard media line to criticze NASCAR for everything, maybe because it makes for better headlines. If the current NASCAR drug testing system is so clearly faulty, why did no one from the major media outlets criticize the system last year when it was announced? As I recall, at that time the media was too busy criticizing NASCAR for not having done something more about drug testing sooner.</p>
<p>TC, have you heard anything that NASCAR is planning to make more information available to the teams about the testing system and banned substances or maybe hold workshops?</p>
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		<title>By: Bobby#7Fan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bobby#7Fan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 May 2009 14:13:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Marc, if you think Nascar does not protect it&#039;s superstars and make examples of the B-list drivers you must not have been a race fan for very long.  Nascar is not risking a reputation of fairness because that is not a reputation they have.  By not allowing anyone to know what is on the list they have the ability to manipulate results.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Marc, if you think Nascar does not protect it&#8217;s superstars and make examples of the B-list drivers you must not have been a race fan for very long.  Nascar is not risking a reputation of fairness because that is not a reputation they have.  By not allowing anyone to know what is on the list they have the ability to manipulate results.</p>
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		<title>By: marc</title>
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		<dc:creator>marc</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 May 2009 08:42:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>T.C. You might be reading more into what Dr. Black said than is neeed and it&#039;s led you down the wrong path.

I believe Black was reacting to Mayfield&#039;s admission to his use of Claritin D. What is the more likely substance tested for is the drugs ingredient, pseudoephedrine.

Pseudoephedrine in the body can cause sleeplessness, nervousness, excitability, dizziness and anxiety. And keep in mind allegedly it was taken with another drug given to him by a doctor.

The problem now is NASCAR&#039;s lack of a specific list of drugs that are banned and those that can give a false positive.

For example, Motrin, Bayer Select Pain Relief Formula or Excedrin can pop a false positive for Marijuana.

Nyquil, Contact, Sudafed (also known as Claritin D), Allerest and Dimetapp can all turn up as Ecstacy or Amphetamine usage.

Special note to &quot;Dano&quot; you and the rest of the conspiracy theorists you can stick that junk where the sun don&#039;t shine.

&lt;a href=&quot;http://fullthrottle.cranialcavity.net/hey-buddy-youre-singing-to-this-choir&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;NASCAR doesn&#039;t administer the test&lt;/a&gt; and have no say in how they are given.

Aegis Labs has total control of the program and is the largest independent sports, forensic and clinical toxicology testing laboratory in the United States.

If any of you conspiracy nuts thinks they would risk their reputation and a multi-million dollar business to produce fake results, or use results to single out certain people at NASCAR&#039;s direction you nuttier than a Snickers Bar.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>T.C. You might be reading more into what Dr. Black said than is neeed and it&#8217;s led you down the wrong path.</p>
<p>I believe Black was reacting to Mayfield&#8217;s admission to his use of Claritin D. What is the more likely substance tested for is the drugs ingredient, pseudoephedrine.</p>
<p>Pseudoephedrine in the body can cause sleeplessness, nervousness, excitability, dizziness and anxiety. And keep in mind allegedly it was taken with another drug given to him by a doctor.</p>
<p>The problem now is NASCAR&#8217;s lack of a specific list of drugs that are banned and those that can give a false positive.</p>
<p>For example, Motrin, Bayer Select Pain Relief Formula or Excedrin can pop a false positive for Marijuana.</p>
<p>Nyquil, Contact, Sudafed (also known as Claritin D), Allerest and Dimetapp can all turn up as Ecstacy or Amphetamine usage.</p>
<p>Special note to &#8220;Dano&#8221; you and the rest of the conspiracy theorists you can stick that junk where the sun don&#8217;t shine.</p>
<p><a href="http://fullthrottle.cranialcavity.net/hey-buddy-youre-singing-to-this-choir" rel="nofollow">NASCAR doesn&#8217;t administer the test</a> and have no say in how they are given.</p>
<p>Aegis Labs has total control of the program and is the largest independent sports, forensic and clinical toxicology testing laboratory in the United States.</p>
<p>If any of you conspiracy nuts thinks they would risk their reputation and a multi-million dollar business to produce fake results, or use results to single out certain people at NASCAR&#8217;s direction you nuttier than a Snickers Bar.</p>
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		<title>By: Bobby#7Fan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bobby#7Fan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 May 2009 03:09:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Good ol&#039; Tim Richmond.  There will never be another like him that&#039;s for sure.......  I wonder if any copies of that infamous poster still exist?  I bet they are worth some money.  LOL</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Good ol&#8217; Tim Richmond.  There will never be another like him that&#8217;s for sure&#8230;&#8230;.  I wonder if any copies of that infamous poster still exist?  I bet they are worth some money.  LOL</p>
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		<title>By: Dano</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dano</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 May 2009 00:59:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Two words:  Tim Richmond.
  Younger fans,  look it up.  Us older fans know.   NASCAR has been caught red-handed lying about a drug test before, then changed there story to the &quot;over the counter&quot; argument.
  Don&#039;t ever believe what you are told.  Hell, not even this post.  Research it for yourself.   Read the book about Tim by David Poole, as well as many other valid, documented articles.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Two words:  Tim Richmond.<br />
  Younger fans,  look it up.  Us older fans know.   NASCAR has been caught red-handed lying about a drug test before, then changed there story to the &#8220;over the counter&#8221; argument.<br />
  Don&#8217;t ever believe what you are told.  Hell, not even this post.  Research it for yourself.   Read the book about Tim by David Poole, as well as many other valid, documented articles.</p>
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		<title>By: T.C.</title>
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		<dc:creator>T.C.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 May 2009 00:04:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There have been quite a few comments to this post, which is great.  But I want to respond to a little theme I see in a few of them.

Keep in mind that my post doesn&#039;t take a stance either way on Mayfield&#039;s situation.  I used the post to voice my concerns about the drug testing policies that stemmed from his positive test, but I&#039;m not siding either way.  I don&#039;t personally know what he took or why he tested positive.  If he was on something he shouldn&#039;t have been on, then obviously he deserves to be punished.  I am a crew member who is on pit road every weekend, and I don&#039;t want a driver on something to come barreling down pit road at me.  

I also don&#039;t have a problem with NASCAR.  In most cases, they do a good job of running the sport.  I certainly don&#039;t have a vendetta against them, but if I see something I don&#039;t agree with, I&#039;m going to use this as a forum to put my opinions out there and open it for reader discussion.  In this case, I would like to see the rules be a little more clear about what is right and wrong, and I would like there to be resources available to me if I have questions.  At this point, I don&#039;t feel either has or is happening.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There have been quite a few comments to this post, which is great.  But I want to respond to a little theme I see in a few of them.</p>
<p>Keep in mind that my post doesn&#8217;t take a stance either way on Mayfield&#8217;s situation.  I used the post to voice my concerns about the drug testing policies that stemmed from his positive test, but I&#8217;m not siding either way.  I don&#8217;t personally know what he took or why he tested positive.  If he was on something he shouldn&#8217;t have been on, then obviously he deserves to be punished.  I am a crew member who is on pit road every weekend, and I don&#8217;t want a driver on something to come barreling down pit road at me.  </p>
<p>I also don&#8217;t have a problem with NASCAR.  In most cases, they do a good job of running the sport.  I certainly don&#8217;t have a vendetta against them, but if I see something I don&#8217;t agree with, I&#8217;m going to use this as a forum to put my opinions out there and open it for reader discussion.  In this case, I would like to see the rules be a little more clear about what is right and wrong, and I would like there to be resources available to me if I have questions.  At this point, I don&#8217;t feel either has or is happening.</p>
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		<title>By: Newracefan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Newracefan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 May 2009 23:42:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The D in Claritin D is the problem, it&#039;s got ephedrine in it, ephedrine at a high enough level is evidently a banned substance (ephedrine can be turned into Meth so it makes sense to me).  TC my recommendation to you is if the cold/allergy medicine is behind the counter it has ephedrine it so beware. I get there isn&#039;t a list because there are always new drugs on the market and a list is a easy way for a savey manipulators to aviod getting in hot water but more importantly a hard card holder could take something that had not made the list yet a then fail the test. Perhaps Jeremy was using the more is better approach to his allergy issues, again not a good idea.  Hopefully that is all it is. Perhaps Nascar/ Dr. Black can give an Example list so you guys can get a better understanding of what commonplace drugs can get you in trouble.

Hopefully Jeremy and any of the crewman who have issues due to ignorace can have their lives put back together.  The one problem with this is that benefit of the doubt is not an option and banned substance is a banned substance because for every guy who oops there is another one who knew exactly what was in it and that&#039;s why he took it. Kind of like the alcoholic who drinks mouthwash solely for the alcohol content.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The D in Claritin D is the problem, it&#8217;s got ephedrine in it, ephedrine at a high enough level is evidently a banned substance (ephedrine can be turned into Meth so it makes sense to me).  TC my recommendation to you is if the cold/allergy medicine is behind the counter it has ephedrine it so beware. I get there isn&#8217;t a list because there are always new drugs on the market and a list is a easy way for a savey manipulators to aviod getting in hot water but more importantly a hard card holder could take something that had not made the list yet a then fail the test. Perhaps Jeremy was using the more is better approach to his allergy issues, again not a good idea.  Hopefully that is all it is. Perhaps Nascar/ Dr. Black can give an Example list so you guys can get a better understanding of what commonplace drugs can get you in trouble.</p>
<p>Hopefully Jeremy and any of the crewman who have issues due to ignorace can have their lives put back together.  The one problem with this is that benefit of the doubt is not an option and banned substance is a banned substance because for every guy who oops there is another one who knew exactly what was in it and that&#8217;s why he took it. Kind of like the alcoholic who drinks mouthwash solely for the alcohol content.</p>
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		<title>By: elena</title>
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		<dc:creator>elena</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 May 2009 23:37:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Let&#039;s look at this one item at a time. NOT ONE DRIVER has supported Jeremy over NASCAR. I watched Nascar Now and Andy Petree was glad that an abuser was caught.  The lab, Aegis Labs, has gotten a lot of support from drivers.

I find it interesting that reporters/bloggers, whose life is not at risk, want to give a drug abuser a pass. On the other hand, drivers who are at risk, applaud the system and are glad the policy is working. 

The first sentance in Jeremy&#039;s statement was that he &quot;immensly supported &quot; NASCAR&#039;s current policy and procedures. Then he admitted that what he took was why he was supended from the garage. Now of course he wants all to believe that 2 drugs he took morphed into a banned substance. 

So, Jeremy does not blame NASCAR nor does he blame the Lab for producing a false positive.  He just says he can explain it.

Ricky Craven and Elliott Sadler have said that every driver has a number to call to verify they can take a certain medication.  Ricky said he called to check on taking Claritin D and he was given the okay to take it. Elliott said that every driver has Dr Black&#039;s cell phone number. 

So, Jeremy is not dennying he tested positive, he just has an explanation,  which does not matter. He had a phone number, he knew the rules (good grief he just had a team member caught) and he still took &quot;something.&quot; 

If he sticks to his story, he will have to find a forensic scientist with a PhD, just like Dr Black, to say that what he did morphed into a controlled drug. I say good luck.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Let&#8217;s look at this one item at a time. NOT ONE DRIVER has supported Jeremy over NASCAR. I watched Nascar Now and Andy Petree was glad that an abuser was caught.  The lab, Aegis Labs, has gotten a lot of support from drivers.</p>
<p>I find it interesting that reporters/bloggers, whose life is not at risk, want to give a drug abuser a pass. On the other hand, drivers who are at risk, applaud the system and are glad the policy is working. </p>
<p>The first sentance in Jeremy&#8217;s statement was that he &#8220;immensly supported &#8221; NASCAR&#8217;s current policy and procedures. Then he admitted that what he took was why he was supended from the garage. Now of course he wants all to believe that 2 drugs he took morphed into a banned substance. </p>
<p>So, Jeremy does not blame NASCAR nor does he blame the Lab for producing a false positive.  He just says he can explain it.</p>
<p>Ricky Craven and Elliott Sadler have said that every driver has a number to call to verify they can take a certain medication.  Ricky said he called to check on taking Claritin D and he was given the okay to take it. Elliott said that every driver has Dr Black&#8217;s cell phone number. </p>
<p>So, Jeremy is not dennying he tested positive, he just has an explanation,  which does not matter. He had a phone number, he knew the rules (good grief he just had a team member caught) and he still took &#8220;something.&#8221; </p>
<p>If he sticks to his story, he will have to find a forensic scientist with a PhD, just like Dr Black, to say that what he did morphed into a controlled drug. I say good luck.</p>
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		<title>By: Richard in N.C.</title>
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		<dc:creator>Richard in N.C.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 May 2009 22:40:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Monday night on PRN Elliott Sadler said that all the drivers have Dr. Black&#039;s cell phone number and can call him whenever they have a question about a particular medicine - and on ESPN Ricky Craven said there was a medical liason person at the track the last time he ran a Cup race (2004? 2005?) who was able to answer his question about taking an over-the-counter allergy medicine before a race.

There are privacy and legal issues about what Aegis or NASCAR can release about the results of the tests on Jeremy Mayfield - but I have not seen anywhere that there is any restriction on Jeremy&#039;s releasing the report he received from NASCAR. There are far too many people in the media who have a definite anti-NASCAR bias and are determined to find fault in anything NASCAR does.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Monday night on PRN Elliott Sadler said that all the drivers have Dr. Black&#8217;s cell phone number and can call him whenever they have a question about a particular medicine &#8211; and on ESPN Ricky Craven said there was a medical liason person at the track the last time he ran a Cup race (2004? 2005?) who was able to answer his question about taking an over-the-counter allergy medicine before a race.</p>
<p>There are privacy and legal issues about what Aegis or NASCAR can release about the results of the tests on Jeremy Mayfield &#8211; but I have not seen anywhere that there is any restriction on Jeremy&#8217;s releasing the report he received from NASCAR. There are far too many people in the media who have a definite anti-NASCAR bias and are determined to find fault in anything NASCAR does.</p>
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		<title>By: Ross</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ross</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 May 2009 19:09:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;My suggestion, don’t take anything if you want to keep your job.&quot;

Excellent advice, Licker.  

I&#039;ll add:  Don&#039;t ever under any circumstances eat a poppyseed bagel.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;My suggestion, don’t take anything if you want to keep your job.&#8221;</p>
<p>Excellent advice, Licker.  </p>
<p>I&#8217;ll add:  Don&#8217;t ever under any circumstances eat a poppyseed bagel.</p>
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