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	<title>Comments on: California Doesn&#8217;t Deserve A Cup Date</title>
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		<title>By: David K</title>
		<link>http://www.thenascarinsiders.com/2009/02/23/california-doesnt-deserve-a-cup-date/comment-page-1/#comment-15113</link>
		<dc:creator>David K</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 28 Sep 2009 09:33:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;ve never been to Fontana, and, despite living in California, I have no plans to.  So why isn&#039;t it working?

One... Fontana is a LONG way from Los Angeles.  At least an hour when the traffic is good.

Two... the date is between the biggest race of the year - Daytona - and one of the highlights of the season - Vegas.  If you were going to one race in the first month of the season, you&#039;d have to put Fontana in a distant last place.

Three... and I know some folks will hate me for saying this but it needs to be said... just because LA is the biggest city in America doesn&#039;t mean it&#039;s the biggest American city.  LA is in many ways a foreign city, particularly a Mexican city, and these folks simply don&#039;t care about NASCAR and never will.  They&#039;ll sell out the Rose Bowl for touring Mexican soccer teams, sure... folks, there&#039;s a reason why LA doesn&#039;t have an NFL franchise.

Four... NASCAR is an American product with a capital A and there are a lot of folks who just hate America and everything it stands for - and thus hate NASCAR.  Again, some might hate me for saying this, but some people hate NASCAR because it&#039;s patriotic, and don&#039;t want to have anything to do with anything associated with the South.  That is of course bigotry, but since it&#039;s liberal bigotry it doesn&#039;t get noticed.

Five... obviously, the economy.  Which is in much worse shape than we want to admit.  Going to races - even on a budget - is expensive.  Ticket prices aren&#039;t the only expense.  Hotels jack up prices to cash in.  And have you even looked at rental car rates lately?

Six... the racing is, for the most part, pretty damn boring.  

Seven... it&#039;s freezing cold in the Spring and broiling in the summer.

I have to laugh at the idea of changing the track!  I read someone saying they should make it a one mile, banked oval.  Basically... turn it into Rockingham!  Oh the irony....</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve never been to Fontana, and, despite living in California, I have no plans to.  So why isn&#8217;t it working?</p>
<p>One&#8230; Fontana is a LONG way from Los Angeles.  At least an hour when the traffic is good.</p>
<p>Two&#8230; the date is between the biggest race of the year &#8211; Daytona &#8211; and one of the highlights of the season &#8211; Vegas.  If you were going to one race in the first month of the season, you&#8217;d have to put Fontana in a distant last place.</p>
<p>Three&#8230; and I know some folks will hate me for saying this but it needs to be said&#8230; just because LA is the biggest city in America doesn&#8217;t mean it&#8217;s the biggest American city.  LA is in many ways a foreign city, particularly a Mexican city, and these folks simply don&#8217;t care about NASCAR and never will.  They&#8217;ll sell out the Rose Bowl for touring Mexican soccer teams, sure&#8230; folks, there&#8217;s a reason why LA doesn&#8217;t have an NFL franchise.</p>
<p>Four&#8230; NASCAR is an American product with a capital A and there are a lot of folks who just hate America and everything it stands for &#8211; and thus hate NASCAR.  Again, some might hate me for saying this, but some people hate NASCAR because it&#8217;s patriotic, and don&#8217;t want to have anything to do with anything associated with the South.  That is of course bigotry, but since it&#8217;s liberal bigotry it doesn&#8217;t get noticed.</p>
<p>Five&#8230; obviously, the economy.  Which is in much worse shape than we want to admit.  Going to races &#8211; even on a budget &#8211; is expensive.  Ticket prices aren&#8217;t the only expense.  Hotels jack up prices to cash in.  And have you even looked at rental car rates lately?</p>
<p>Six&#8230; the racing is, for the most part, pretty damn boring.  </p>
<p>Seven&#8230; it&#8217;s freezing cold in the Spring and broiling in the summer.</p>
<p>I have to laugh at the idea of changing the track!  I read someone saying they should make it a one mile, banked oval.  Basically&#8230; turn it into Rockingham!  Oh the irony&#8230;.</p>
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		<title>By: Winston Churchill</title>
		<link>http://www.thenascarinsiders.com/2009/02/23/california-doesnt-deserve-a-cup-date/comment-page-1/#comment-13873</link>
		<dc:creator>Winston Churchill</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 05 Sep 2009 23:27:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have gone to the Fontana track. The problem is it has yet to gain and identity.
The track tried a night race a few years ago on labor day weekend in 2004. I was there and it was hot.
Moving the race to October is a good idea it should be much more comfortable.
The sun goes down earlier and you will have more of a night race.
The problem now is they stopped the train from getting to the track.
This is going to be the downfall of Gillian Zucker. The very idea that she and I emphasize she did not go to metro and demand the trains run to the track during the event is just plain stupid.
The idea were you will have to take a cab 3.7 miles in bumper to bumper traffic is ridiculous.
The train has tracks to the track. If they didn&#039;t have tracks to the speedway why did they put them there.
They should have left it California Speedway people knew what it is stop the name changing.
The dates they pick for a race. They have Vegas the week afterwards.
What do you get after the race in Fontana Hometown Buffet.
What do you do in Vegas during the races everything.
Even driving out the have the Shelby plant.
The last time I attended a race at Fontana the parking passes didn&#039;t get sent. That is just not follow thru on the product to be delivered.
I&#039;ll go watch a race again at Fontana if they can get there act together.
The first thing they should do is get rid of Gillian Zucker. She just doesn&#039;t get it done.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have gone to the Fontana track. The problem is it has yet to gain and identity.<br />
The track tried a night race a few years ago on labor day weekend in 2004. I was there and it was hot.<br />
Moving the race to October is a good idea it should be much more comfortable.<br />
The sun goes down earlier and you will have more of a night race.<br />
The problem now is they stopped the train from getting to the track.<br />
This is going to be the downfall of Gillian Zucker. The very idea that she and I emphasize she did not go to metro and demand the trains run to the track during the event is just plain stupid.<br />
The idea were you will have to take a cab 3.7 miles in bumper to bumper traffic is ridiculous.<br />
The train has tracks to the track. If they didn&#8217;t have tracks to the speedway why did they put them there.<br />
They should have left it California Speedway people knew what it is stop the name changing.<br />
The dates they pick for a race. They have Vegas the week afterwards.<br />
What do you get after the race in Fontana Hometown Buffet.<br />
What do you do in Vegas during the races everything.<br />
Even driving out the have the Shelby plant.<br />
The last time I attended a race at Fontana the parking passes didn&#8217;t get sent. That is just not follow thru on the product to be delivered.<br />
I&#8217;ll go watch a race again at Fontana if they can get there act together.<br />
The first thing they should do is get rid of Gillian Zucker. She just doesn&#8217;t get it done.</p>
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		<title>By: duramaxdoug</title>
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		<dc:creator>duramaxdoug</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 02 Aug 2009 22:48:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If cali speedway dos not deserve 2 cup races  is it  SUCKS  as a track..... borring !!!!!!to many tracks like this already and they all suck ... borring races every time they come here . with irwindale we could have had a track that would have sold out every time .. half mile built on an old rock pit so pleanty of room or were cili was built they could have built a super speedway with a RESTRICTOR PLATE ..... YES A RESTRICTOR PLATE  people in cali drive 90 mph on  owr freeways so  ...WE WANT MORE SPEED  OR A BEAT AND BANG TRACK THATS THE BOTTOM LINE   THIS TRACK SUCKS....THE TRACK SUCKS  !!!! WE ARE NOT MICHIGAN WE DONT WANT THERE TRACK THEY CAN HAVE IT  WE HAVE ENOUGH SPACE TO HAVE ANNY TRACK AND THEY BUILD THIS ........ WHY DONT THEY JUST GIVE FANS MORE OF THE TRACKS THAT THEY SELL OUT EVERY TIME .....THAT WOULD BE NICE....I SAY TAKE OUT TURN 1 &amp; 2 MAKE THE TRACK LONGER AND AD MORE BANKING.... THIS WOULD DO IT .. NO OTHER TRACK LIKE IT MEANS MORE CHALLANGE FOR DRIVERS AND MORE $$$$$$$$ FOR NASCAR.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If cali speedway dos not deserve 2 cup races  is it  SUCKS  as a track&#8230;.. borring !!!!!!to many tracks like this already and they all suck &#8230; borring races every time they come here . with irwindale we could have had a track that would have sold out every time .. half mile built on an old rock pit so pleanty of room or were cili was built they could have built a super speedway with a RESTRICTOR PLATE &#8230;.. YES A RESTRICTOR PLATE  people in cali drive 90 mph on  owr freeways so  &#8230;WE WANT MORE SPEED  OR A BEAT AND BANG TRACK THATS THE BOTTOM LINE   THIS TRACK SUCKS&#8230;.THE TRACK SUCKS  !!!! WE ARE NOT MICHIGAN WE DONT WANT THERE TRACK THEY CAN HAVE IT  WE HAVE ENOUGH SPACE TO HAVE ANNY TRACK AND THEY BUILD THIS &#8230;&#8230;.. WHY DONT THEY JUST GIVE FANS MORE OF THE TRACKS THAT THEY SELL OUT EVERY TIME &#8230;..THAT WOULD BE NICE&#8230;.I SAY TAKE OUT TURN 1 &amp; 2 MAKE THE TRACK LONGER AND AD MORE BANKING&#8230;. THIS WOULD DO IT .. NO OTHER TRACK LIKE IT MEANS MORE CHALLANGE FOR DRIVERS AND MORE $$$$$$$$ FOR NASCAR.</p>
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		<title>By: tbpb3</title>
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		<dc:creator>tbpb3</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 08 Mar 2009 18:14:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What about Atlanta? who wants to watch cars go in a circle for three hours? Too much else to do in So. Cal. Let kentucky have it all. That is where this &quot;SPORT&quot; belongs</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What about Atlanta? who wants to watch cars go in a circle for three hours? Too much else to do in So. Cal. Let kentucky have it all. That is where this &#8220;SPORT&#8221; belongs</p>
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		<title>By: Theresa</title>
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		<dc:creator>Theresa</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Mar 2009 21:02:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>One thing you all must remember about Cal. speedway is they also sell motorhome spots in the infield.. So those spots should count when deciding if the track sells were a bust or not.. 
The boring racing alone should constitute it losing a date... 
While I like to keep one at that track because it&#039;s relatively close to me and I get to attend, I don&#039;t think it deserves two.
I need it here so I can get my racing junk (gear) and go have the fun that is also involved with racing, besides the racing.. I do also attend Vegas and Pheonix for my real racing fixes..</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>One thing you all must remember about Cal. speedway is they also sell motorhome spots in the infield.. So those spots should count when deciding if the track sells were a bust or not..<br />
The boring racing alone should constitute it losing a date&#8230;<br />
While I like to keep one at that track because it&#8217;s relatively close to me and I get to attend, I don&#8217;t think it deserves two.<br />
I need it here so I can get my racing junk (gear) and go have the fun that is also involved with racing, besides the racing.. I do also attend Vegas and Pheonix for my real racing fixes..</p>
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		<title>By: Sid Savage Auto Dealer Supply</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sid Savage Auto Dealer Supply</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Feb 2009 21:18:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>People in California can just go to the beach for free instead of spend money on a race. Interesting perspective in the article, I like the comments too.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>People in California can just go to the beach for free instead of spend money on a race. Interesting perspective in the article, I like the comments too.</p>
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		<title>By: haulerdriver's wife</title>
		<link>http://www.thenascarinsiders.com/2009/02/23/california-doesnt-deserve-a-cup-date/comment-page-1/#comment-5723</link>
		<dc:creator>haulerdriver's wife</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Feb 2009 03:27:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Kentucky is a great facility...the garages are spacious, plenty of clean restrooms and a great rv lot not only for the competitors but also for fans.

We&#039;ve been there many times with our family in our rv, normally Easter weekend.  The track had an egg hunt for the kids.  The staff are friendly and helpful.  

The racing was great too!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Kentucky is a great facility&#8230;the garages are spacious, plenty of clean restrooms and a great rv lot not only for the competitors but also for fans.</p>
<p>We&#8217;ve been there many times with our family in our rv, normally Easter weekend.  The track had an egg hunt for the kids.  The staff are friendly and helpful.  </p>
<p>The racing was great too!</p>
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		<title>By: Mike</title>
		<link>http://www.thenascarinsiders.com/2009/02/23/california-doesnt-deserve-a-cup-date/comment-page-1/#comment-5720</link>
		<dc:creator>Mike</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Feb 2009 00:58:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Get rid of one and bring back Wilkes Barre....Rockingham....beach racing.....hey....how about a dirt race...or really get back to their roots......run some moonshine....!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Get rid of one and bring back Wilkes Barre&#8230;.Rockingham&#8230;.beach racing&#8230;..hey&#8230;.how about a dirt race&#8230;or really get back to their roots&#8230;&#8230;run some moonshine&#8230;.!</p>
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		<title>By: Zieke</title>
		<link>http://www.thenascarinsiders.com/2009/02/23/california-doesnt-deserve-a-cup-date/comment-page-1/#comment-5706</link>
		<dc:creator>Zieke</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Feb 2009 17:26:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The web guys are right on top of this one. Calif. is a beautiful state, but when fans don&#039;t show up for racing, it&#039;s time to go to one date &amp; see if they will fill up for that one. I too miss Darlington and Rockingham. They are driver&#039;s tracks and racing is exciting because of that one fact. If we had cookie-cutter tracks like those, nobody would care because the racing would be good no matter how many they had at them. Ca. and Michigan are BOOOOOOOring. Neither one of them deserves 2 races.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The web guys are right on top of this one. Calif. is a beautiful state, but when fans don&#8217;t show up for racing, it&#8217;s time to go to one date &amp; see if they will fill up for that one. I too miss Darlington and Rockingham. They are driver&#8217;s tracks and racing is exciting because of that one fact. If we had cookie-cutter tracks like those, nobody would care because the racing would be good no matter how many they had at them. Ca. and Michigan are BOOOOOOOring. Neither one of them deserves 2 races.</p>
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		<title>By: Bobby</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bobby</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Feb 2009 04:48:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I hate to see any track lose a race, but when you sit &amp; watch a string of cars that are so spread out for most of race it&#039;s time. In 07 at Dega they pulled the train race,my guess would be because of the chase, it was one of the worst races I have ever seen. We almost did not renew our tickets for last year. This season we are debating not only because of the economy but because they messed with the dates. Pushing it further into the chase, it will cause a more cautious race at Dega, translation- boring!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I hate to see any track lose a race, but when you sit &amp; watch a string of cars that are so spread out for most of race it&#8217;s time. In 07 at Dega they pulled the train race,my guess would be because of the chase, it was one of the worst races I have ever seen. We almost did not renew our tickets for last year. This season we are debating not only because of the economy but because they messed with the dates. Pushing it further into the chase, it will cause a more cautious race at Dega, translation- boring!</p>
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