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	<title>Comments on: Two Soon? Burton &amp; Mayfield&#8217;s Fall From Grace</title>
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		<title>By: Jerry</title>
		<link>http://www.thenascarinsiders.com/2008/06/15/two-soon-burton-mayfields-fall-from-grace/comment-page-1/#comment-719</link>
		<dc:creator>Jerry</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 Aug 2008 13:10:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You want karma, put Ward in the Cat car at Richard Childress.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You want karma, put Ward in the Cat car at Richard Childress.</p>
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		<title>By: greg</title>
		<link>http://www.thenascarinsiders.com/2008/06/15/two-soon-burton-mayfields-fall-from-grace/comment-page-1/#comment-340</link>
		<dc:creator>greg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Jun 2008 16:37:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mayfield/Burton Both got the shaft in my oppion Mayfield voiced his concerns and rightly so! He still is one of the best drivers on the market with knowledge and passion to show that he can still win races with the right cars and owner! Open wheelers are missing up this sport it going to lose some of it&#039;s heritage! Hope they both get to drive again soon!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mayfield/Burton Both got the shaft in my oppion Mayfield voiced his concerns and rightly so! He still is one of the best drivers on the market with knowledge and passion to show that he can still win races with the right cars and owner! Open wheelers are missing up this sport it going to lose some of it&#8217;s heritage! Hope they both get to drive again soon!</p>
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		<title>By: Greg</title>
		<link>http://www.thenascarinsiders.com/2008/06/15/two-soon-burton-mayfields-fall-from-grace/comment-page-1/#comment-338</link>
		<dc:creator>Greg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Jun 2008 15:33:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ward Burton could have been a star in a good ride. When he got his first win at Rockingham with BDR, it was an upset on the magnitude of the same level as if JJ Yeley, Allmendinger, or one of those guys won a race. From that point on, Ward won the Daytona 500, Southern 500, and several other races in BILL DAVIS equipment. Bill&#039;s lucky if he sees victory lane on television without Ward in the car. Tommy Baldwin hasn&#039;t accomplished much without Ward, either. 

The fact of the matter is that if Ward had Roush, Hendrick, RCR, or any other top-notch equipment, he might have even had a championship. He finished in the top 10 in points multiple times with a team that has recently been locked in a death struggle for the top 35. 

Mayfield had Evernham, Penske, and other quality pieces of equipment and still basically lucked out from time to time. Ward in Evernham or Penske equipment would have seen him with at least 10-20 more wins in his career. 

Ward&#039;s fanbase is loyal, and seems to be still around. I&#039;ve rooted for every car he&#039;s ever driven, and whenever I hear of a driver injury, a little piece of me hopes that Ward is the relief driver and puts on a show. Davey Allison and Ward Burton are my two favorite drivers, and that&#039;ll never change.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ward Burton could have been a star in a good ride. When he got his first win at Rockingham with BDR, it was an upset on the magnitude of the same level as if JJ Yeley, Allmendinger, or one of those guys won a race. From that point on, Ward won the Daytona 500, Southern 500, and several other races in BILL DAVIS equipment. Bill&#8217;s lucky if he sees victory lane on television without Ward in the car. Tommy Baldwin hasn&#8217;t accomplished much without Ward, either. </p>
<p>The fact of the matter is that if Ward had Roush, Hendrick, RCR, or any other top-notch equipment, he might have even had a championship. He finished in the top 10 in points multiple times with a team that has recently been locked in a death struggle for the top 35. </p>
<p>Mayfield had Evernham, Penske, and other quality pieces of equipment and still basically lucked out from time to time. Ward in Evernham or Penske equipment would have seen him with at least 10-20 more wins in his career. </p>
<p>Ward&#8217;s fanbase is loyal, and seems to be still around. I&#8217;ve rooted for every car he&#8217;s ever driven, and whenever I hear of a driver injury, a little piece of me hopes that Ward is the relief driver and puts on a show. Davey Allison and Ward Burton are my two favorite drivers, and that&#8217;ll never change.</p>
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		<title>By: Steven</title>
		<link>http://www.thenascarinsiders.com/2008/06/15/two-soon-burton-mayfields-fall-from-grace/comment-page-1/#comment-336</link>
		<dc:creator>Steven</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Jun 2008 10:34:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If your job and money were on the line would you not spill the beans so to speak? Jeremy was forced to court by Ray and Jeremy did what any of us would do(fight for his money).
Jeremy&#039;s got talent as a driver and can still win races if given the chance.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If your job and money were on the line would you not spill the beans so to speak? Jeremy was forced to court by Ray and Jeremy did what any of us would do(fight for his money).<br />
Jeremy&#8217;s got talent as a driver and can still win races if given the chance.</p>
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		<title>By: Trevor</title>
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		<dc:creator>Trevor</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Jun 2008 02:26:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ward was one heck of a driver and no one ever felt bad when he pulled the #22 into victory lane.  Jeremy was the same way, besides the Earnhardt fans from Jeremy knocking him out of the way in Pocono, no one minded when Jeremy took the #12 or #19 to victory lane. The only thing is Jeremy was given the shaft at Evernham. Evernham traded teams between Kahne and Mayfield and Jeremy got the raw end. Kenny Francis (Kahne&#039;s team director) has even said Jeremy was the best driver he had seen.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ward was one heck of a driver and no one ever felt bad when he pulled the #22 into victory lane.  Jeremy was the same way, besides the Earnhardt fans from Jeremy knocking him out of the way in Pocono, no one minded when Jeremy took the #12 or #19 to victory lane. The only thing is Jeremy was given the shaft at Evernham. Evernham traded teams between Kahne and Mayfield and Jeremy got the raw end. Kenny Francis (Kahne&#8217;s team director) has even said Jeremy was the best driver he had seen.</p>
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		<title>By: Andrew</title>
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		<dc:creator>Andrew</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Jun 2008 01:35:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ward Burton is an awesome driver that never got any credit.  He&#039;s gotten ripped off everywhere he goes.  I mean to get dumped at BDR basically, and then literally get dumped at Haas where he was improving the team with veteran leadership is rediculous.  They put in Mike Bliss...oh I&#039;m sure they sold more t-shirts adding him in.  I know for a fact that the Burton&#039;s have a very solid fan base.  It&#039;s a shame that we are digging for young non-talented drivers now in other series instead of adding proven veterans who can get the job done.  Mayfield on the other hand, made the Chase two years and somehow he&#039;s not in Cup competition!?  NASCAR has gotten more rediculous and more &#039;Hollywood&#039; the past few years.  I like the old days.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ward Burton is an awesome driver that never got any credit.  He&#8217;s gotten ripped off everywhere he goes.  I mean to get dumped at BDR basically, and then literally get dumped at Haas where he was improving the team with veteran leadership is rediculous.  They put in Mike Bliss&#8230;oh I&#8217;m sure they sold more t-shirts adding him in.  I know for a fact that the Burton&#8217;s have a very solid fan base.  It&#8217;s a shame that we are digging for young non-talented drivers now in other series instead of adding proven veterans who can get the job done.  Mayfield on the other hand, made the Chase two years and somehow he&#8217;s not in Cup competition!?  NASCAR has gotten more rediculous and more &#8216;Hollywood&#8217; the past few years.  I like the old days.</p>
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		<title>By: Uncle Bo</title>
		<link>http://www.thenascarinsiders.com/2008/06/15/two-soon-burton-mayfields-fall-from-grace/comment-page-1/#comment-331</link>
		<dc:creator>Uncle Bo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Jun 2008 21:27:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>One thing with both drivers is the cars changed but they didn&#039;t.  In the past 5 years the way race cars are built, and the way they need to be driven, have changed dramatically.  Forget about the COT for the moment, I&#039;m talking about suspensions, steering, how to set up a car for any given track, etc.  

Ward could not adapt to the new high downforce cars, which reward a level of driving finesse and aggressiveness he does not possess.  Ward struggled at the 1.5 mile &quot;cookie cutter&quot; tracks where front downforce is critical.  Think of where Ward performed best.... Rockingham and Darlington, tracks where car control, driving a loose race car and getting the most out of worn tires is critical.  Rockingham is long gone and Darlington gets one race a year, replaced by joints like Kansas City, Chicago, California.  The Cup series was changing and Ward simply didn&#039;t have the skill to change with it.  During Ward&#039;s time at Haas, the Hendrick engineering group was rapidly evolving car design and guys like Jeff Gordon and Jimmie Johnson adapted quickly.  Ward didn&#039;t.  He is an old skool short track driver where being able to slide the car around is fast.  Sad thing is Ward would probably do well in a COT as they&#039;re more what he&#039;s used to, but he won&#039;t get the chance.

Jeremy&#039;s problem is he is an engineer trapped in a driver&#039;s body.  He is very knowledgeable about suspensions, shock technology, chassis set up, etc.  He&#039;d probably make a good car chief or even crew chief if he applied himself to race shop operations.  Jeremy could never get the most out of a car unless it was set up to perfection.  His margin for error was microscopic.  If the car was a little off, or he didn&#039;t like something about it, he was junk.  Jeremy needed to be a driver who could wheel anything as long as it had 4 wheels and an engine, but he wanted to be technically involved in the car itself.  With Jeremy, if the car was 95%, he didn&#039;t have the ability or desire to make up the last 5%.  Compare that to Kasey Kahne who can do well if you get the car in the ballpark; he has the skill to get the most out of the car.  What killed Jeremy&#039;s career is he doesn&#039;t have what Jeff Gordon, Tony Stewart or Kyle Busch have, the determination to make up for what the car is lacking.   

Any time there are major changes in an industry, there are going to be casualties.  Ward and Jeremy weren&#039;t the first and won&#039;t be the last.  Hopefully NASCAR can stabilized COT development to let teams and drivers get used to it and refine out some of the rough spots which drivers are currently complaining about.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>One thing with both drivers is the cars changed but they didn&#8217;t.  In the past 5 years the way race cars are built, and the way they need to be driven, have changed dramatically.  Forget about the COT for the moment, I&#8217;m talking about suspensions, steering, how to set up a car for any given track, etc.  </p>
<p>Ward could not adapt to the new high downforce cars, which reward a level of driving finesse and aggressiveness he does not possess.  Ward struggled at the 1.5 mile &#8220;cookie cutter&#8221; tracks where front downforce is critical.  Think of where Ward performed best&#8230;. Rockingham and Darlington, tracks where car control, driving a loose race car and getting the most out of worn tires is critical.  Rockingham is long gone and Darlington gets one race a year, replaced by joints like Kansas City, Chicago, California.  The Cup series was changing and Ward simply didn&#8217;t have the skill to change with it.  During Ward&#8217;s time at Haas, the Hendrick engineering group was rapidly evolving car design and guys like Jeff Gordon and Jimmie Johnson adapted quickly.  Ward didn&#8217;t.  He is an old skool short track driver where being able to slide the car around is fast.  Sad thing is Ward would probably do well in a COT as they&#8217;re more what he&#8217;s used to, but he won&#8217;t get the chance.</p>
<p>Jeremy&#8217;s problem is he is an engineer trapped in a driver&#8217;s body.  He is very knowledgeable about suspensions, shock technology, chassis set up, etc.  He&#8217;d probably make a good car chief or even crew chief if he applied himself to race shop operations.  Jeremy could never get the most out of a car unless it was set up to perfection.  His margin for error was microscopic.  If the car was a little off, or he didn&#8217;t like something about it, he was junk.  Jeremy needed to be a driver who could wheel anything as long as it had 4 wheels and an engine, but he wanted to be technically involved in the car itself.  With Jeremy, if the car was 95%, he didn&#8217;t have the ability or desire to make up the last 5%.  Compare that to Kasey Kahne who can do well if you get the car in the ballpark; he has the skill to get the most out of the car.  What killed Jeremy&#8217;s career is he doesn&#8217;t have what Jeff Gordon, Tony Stewart or Kyle Busch have, the determination to make up for what the car is lacking.   </p>
<p>Any time there are major changes in an industry, there are going to be casualties.  Ward and Jeremy weren&#8217;t the first and won&#8217;t be the last.  Hopefully NASCAR can stabilized COT development to let teams and drivers get used to it and refine out some of the rough spots which drivers are currently complaining about.</p>
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		<title>By: Gladys Gordon</title>
		<link>http://www.thenascarinsiders.com/2008/06/15/two-soon-burton-mayfields-fall-from-grace/comment-page-1/#comment-330</link>
		<dc:creator>Gladys Gordon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Jun 2008 21:23:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You failed to mention that Jeremy had the #19 car in the chase in &#039;04 and &#039;05&#039; and Ray had to take his crew chief and team away and give it to Kasey so his darling could be in the running. And you failed to mention that Ray was having an affair with a girl young enough to be his daughter and his mind was not on his team. So don&#039;t put all the blame on Jeremy for that breakup. Jeremy can still race with the best of them, given the right car and setup. 

If you are going to compare Jeremy with anyone thank you for
choosing Ward Burton.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You failed to mention that Jeremy had the #19 car in the chase in &#8217;04 and &#8217;05&#8242; and Ray had to take his crew chief and team away and give it to Kasey so his darling could be in the running. And you failed to mention that Ray was having an affair with a girl young enough to be his daughter and his mind was not on his team. So don&#8217;t put all the blame on Jeremy for that breakup. Jeremy can still race with the best of them, given the right car and setup. </p>
<p>If you are going to compare Jeremy with anyone thank you for<br />
choosing Ward Burton.</p>
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		<title>By: Mario</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mario</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Jun 2008 17:19:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>True Phil, but NASCAR ratings are off and I think it&#039;s because they/sponsers are kicking the good old boys to the curb for the next Kahne and Busch but one problem, teen girls are not their market it&#039;s old guys like me. Also there are only so many young studs as I named a few young duds.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>True Phil, but NASCAR ratings are off and I think it&#8217;s because they/sponsers are kicking the good old boys to the curb for the next Kahne and Busch but one problem, teen girls are not their market it&#8217;s old guys like me. Also there are only so many young studs as I named a few young duds.</p>
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		<title>By: Phil</title>
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		<dc:creator>Phil</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Jun 2008 16:41:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Personalities aside, the basic problem both Ward and Jeremy share is that they&#039;re no longer in their early 20s. Owners and sponsors want the next Kyle Busch or Kasey Kahne (bonus points for his giggling teen girls fan base) and neither driver qualifies.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Personalities aside, the basic problem both Ward and Jeremy share is that they&#8217;re no longer in their early 20s. Owners and sponsors want the next Kyle Busch or Kasey Kahne (bonus points for his giggling teen girls fan base) and neither driver qualifies.</p>
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